Rape of Safia, Response to Nabil Ahmed
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Submitted by Hisham (United States), Aug 14, 2006 at 14:23
60 years old prophet killed Safia's husband, father and brothers and then slept with her same day breaking his own rule of no sex with t captured woman for 30 days. Read the whole story:
Prophet had 17 year old Safia's husband Kinana tortured to get the location of their hidden treasury and had him beheaded later. Read on from Ishaq, chapter 20
Kinana, the husband of Safiya, had been guardian of the tribe's treasures, and he was brought before the apostle, who asked where they were hidden. But Kinana refused to disclose the place. Then a Jew came who said, 'I have seen Kinana walk around a certain ruin every morning.' The apostle asked Kinana, 'Art thou prepared to die if we find thou knewest where the treasure was?' And he replied, 'Yes.' So the apostle ordered the ruin to be dug up, and some of the treasure was found. After that Kinana was asked again about the remainder, but he still refused to tell. The apostle of Allah handed him over to al‑Zubayr, saying, 'Torture him until he tells what he knows', and al‑Zubayr kindled a fire on his chest so that he almost expired; then the apostle gave him to Muhammad b. Maslama, who struck off his head.
Kinana's beautiful 17 year old wife Safia was first given to Dihya as his share of booty.The jealous jihadis then told Mohammed of her beauty (to deprive Dihya of Safia), so he got Dihya back and gave him two of Safia's cousinsin exchange: Read on:
Anas, (Allah be pleased with him) reported: Safiyya (Allah be pleased with her) fell to the lot of Dihya in the spoils of war, and they praised her in the presence of Allah's Messenger (may peace be upon him) and said: We have not seen the like of her among the captives of war. He sent (a messenger) to Dihya and he gave him whatever he demanded.
That day Safia's husband was tortured and beheaded in front of her eyes, her father and brothers were killed, her sisters cousins and mother were given away to jihadis as booty and then Mohammed still wearing bloody clothes with r the blood of her relatives, had sex with her. Nabil Ahmad do you really believe that it was a consensual sex? Place your own daughter , sister or wife in her place. Do you really believe that they would have changed thier religion to the religion of 60 year old killer of their, husband, brother and father and then have sex with him gladly? Here is from Book of Tabaqat by Sad (and Ishaq)"
Safia was groomed and made-up for the Prophet by Umm Sulaim, the mother of Anas ibn Malik. They spent the night there. Abu Ayyub al-Ansari guarded the tent of the Prophet the whole night. When, in the early dawn, the Prophet saw Abu Ayyub strolling up and down, he asked him what he meant by this sentry-go; he replied: "I was afraid for you with this young lady. You had killed her father, her husband and many of her relatives, and till recently she was an unbeliever. I was really afraid for you on her account". The Prophet prayed for Abu Ayyub al-Ansari (Ibn Hisham, p. 766)
Mr Ahmad , quran has five ayas (3.4,3.24, 23.6,35.50 and 70.30) allowing sex with slave girls and captured women. It does not mention of consensual sex. ( Word rape does not even exist in quran). Anyways Do you really believe if it really matters when you have sex with a traumatized young girl after killing her husband, father and brother .. What choice does she has anyways?.
Mr Ahmed in Islam even wives are not allowed to say no to their husbands, what to talk of a captured woman and slave girl: Read on:
The Prophet said, "If a woman spends the night deserting her husband's bed (does not sleep with him), then the angels send their curses on her till she comes back (to her husband.
Another hadith says a wife must oblige even if husbad gets an urge on a camels back (Majah)
You know quran has given the open option of changing wives if she starts refusing you:
Quran 4.20 " if ye wish to exchange one wife for another, do not take anything back you gave her as gifts.
Nabil you are living under secular kafir laws and are helpless.. If you lived under 7th century sharia laws , probably you will also do everything Mohammed did since quran says he is your role model to be copied (33.21)
Mr Ahmed all we have are muslim accounts which are surely biased in favour of Mohammed. How do you know Mohammed was not cricized for his killings and rapes by his enemies and critics? Go read your hadiths and Siras. You will learn that prophet routinely had 80 of his critics asassinated in 10 years in Madina. Read some refs:
Some refs are :
Ishaq:550 “Among those who Muhammad ordered killed was Abdallah bin Khatal. The Messenger ordered him to be slain.... His girls used to sing a satire about Muhammad so the Prophet ordered that they should be killed along with Abdullah. He was killed by Sa’id and Abu Barzah. The two shared in his blood. One of the singing girls was killed quickly but the other fled. So Umar caused his horse to trample the one who fled, killing her
Ishaq: 676 Asma Bnt Marwan , a Madina poetess, wrote poems ,criticizing Madina men‘You obey a stranger(Mohammed) who encourages you to murder for booty. You are greedy men. Is there no honor among you?’ Upon hearing those lines Muhammad said, ‘Will no one rid me of this woman?’ Umayr, a zealous Muslim, decided to execute the Prophet’s wishes. That very night he crept into the Asma’s home s home while she lay sleeping surrounded by her young children. There was one at her breast. Umayr removed the suckling babe and then plunged his sword into the poet. The next morning in the mosque, Muhammad, who was aware of the assassination, said, ‘You have helped Allah”
Ishaq:597 “When the Apostle returned to Medina after his raid on Ta’if, word spread that he had killed some poets there who had written satirical poems earlier. The scared poets who were left, ran away in all directions.”
Jews were his biggest critics: See what he did to the:
Sunan Abu Dawud, Book 19, Number 2996: Narrated Muhayyisah: The Apostle of Allah (peace_be_upon_him) said: If you gain a victory over the men of Jews, kill them.
Tabari VII:97 “The morning after the murder of Ashraf, the Prophet declared, ‘Kill any Jew who falls under your power.’”
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