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At last, we agree! Also, Ottoman history and Turkish plans

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Submitted by Michael S (United States), Jun 8, 2018 at 16:02

At last, Tovey! You agree with me!

"For the Lord himself (Jesus) will descend from heaven with a cry of command, with the voice of an archangel, and with the sound of the trumpet of God (i.e. not Jesus). And the dead in Christ (Jesus) will rise first. (1 Thessalonians 4:16)
Then comes the end, when he (Jesus) delivers the kingdom to God the Father (God, not Jesus the Son) after destroying every rule and every authority and power. (1 Corinthians 15:24)
When all things are subjected to him (God), then the Son himself (Jesus) will also be subjected to him (God) who put all things in subjection under him (Jesus), that God (i.e. the Father) may be all in all. very authority and power. (1 Corinthians 15:28)"

Yes, that is what it says. It agrees perfectly with the Apostle's Creed, and with what I have saying. It also conclusively says that Jesus is not God.

Back on the matter of Turkey, I hope President Trump and PM Netanyahu, and their ministers, are aware that Turkey, as the sole champion of the Sunni Arabs in Iraq and Syria, will ultimately have to invade those countries to exercise its guardianship -- and its Ottoman heritage. This accords, of course, with Ezekiel 38-39.

The Ottoman Empire arose when the Greeks were struggling to come out from under the foot of the rapacious Europeans (as today), and when all the Arab world, save the peninsular Arabs, were under foreign domination. Syria and Iraq were divided between Jalayrid Mongols from Iran and Mamlukes from Egypt. Turkey was divided between eleven Seljuk emirates, including the Ottomans in the NW. Over several generations, after securing NW Anatolia, the Ottoman clan conquered the Balkan states before returning to Asia Minor and attacking the Mamelukes. By and by, the subdued all of N. Africa, the Red Sea coast as far as Somalia, the Caucasus, southern Ukraine, Iraq, Kuwait and the Gulf States, Cyprus, all of Greece and at times, Sicily and Sardinia. The Muslim world, then as now, was a battleground between Shiites and Sunnis.

Ottoman success came from holding the high ground of Anatolia and the Bosporus, and picking off neighbors who were engaged in quarrels with one another. With Syria embroiled now in its eighth year of a bloody civil war, and civil war close to erupting in Iraq as well, the stage is set for a Neo-Ottoman power play. The perfect opportunity for such an adventure, it seems, would be an Iran vs. Israel conflict that weakened both sides.

If Turkey acquires the F-35 fighter, it will be used against Israel.


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At last, we agree! Also, Ottoman history and Turkish plans [436 words]Michael SJun 8, 2018 16:02242799
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And Who Agreed with Whom? The Father and Son Agree - [362 words]M ToveyJun 12, 2018 14:01242799
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Perhaps better to allow Turkey to have American weapons [67 words]AnonApr 18, 2018 22:03242791
NATO's Turkish Dilemma Reflects Western Ignorance About Islam [191 words]DaveApr 18, 2018 21:52242790

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