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Submitted by David G (United States), Jul 18, 2017 at 12:35

1) When you say "anti-Islamic Right", you are adopting the Left's subtle dichotomy: every opinion that lands outside the Leftist world-view is stamped "Right", and so it becomes dismissable. To believe that it is at best unlikely that the dominant forces within Islam can ever become those that negate the verses of the Koran and associated texts, is not necessarily associated with other (informed) beliefs/opinions, such as Democrat/Republican, and dissociating them from this context may prove to better bring about the world that you hope for.

2) The reformers you list, and others of similar mind apparently have no significant traction in their own Muslim communities -- that is far more relevant than whether non-Muslim critics or the MSM carries their news. Can they sway the congregation in their mosque to dismiss their virulent imam and replace him with one of their own POV? Can they organize massive rallies to oppose the usual Islamist rallies? I think that the MSM would treasure such events, but they aren't happening -- such rallies that have been organized are attended by very few people, many or most of them are not Muslims, and -- am I exaggerating? -- never is there an Imam. The reformers you list are individuals, perhaps with tiny followings, and they are roundly despised by the larger Muslim community. The MSM, for all of its defects, would respond when there is a basis to do so. Zuhdi Jasser, for instance, has received some press, he has made appearances all over, he is known on YouTube, and yet he has little traction in the Muslim community -- much more, he is despised and dismissed by Muslims, even as an ignoramus or a traitor. This is where the situation stands now, and what reason is there to believe that it can change? Other than believing that wishing will bring about the desired results?


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1) I am on the Right myself. I am not accepting the Left's dichotomy but making my own generalization.

2) Reformers are admittedly weak. So, you are telling them to give up? No cause is worth the effort unless it is strong from the start? To ask that question is to answer is.

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