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"President Trump's options for Israeli-Palestinian dealmaking" by Martin S. Indyk

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Submitted by Robert (United States), Jan 17, 2017 at 11:57

"President Trump's options for Israeli-Palestinian dealmaking" by Martin S. Indyk
Thursday, December 1, 2016
Brookings Big Ideas For America
https://www.brookings.edu/research/president-trumps-options-for-israeli-palestinian-dealmaking/

As Netanyahu noted, paraphrasing him, tomorrow is another (different) day. But Indyk represents the old school - of "yesterday."

Change began on September 11, 2001, when our Twin Towers were taken down by 19 Arab Muslim terrorists - and Donald Trump was a real estate tycoon at that time who must have had a personal feeling and appreciation of the meaning of foreign Muslim Arabs intend on destroying American real estate.

Thereafter, some years, but not too many, Arab Spring erupted in Tunisia, one of several Arab and Muslim states. That took place specifically in 2011, 10 years later (after 9/11). The issue began with the humiliation of a Tunisian Arab vendor whose cart was confiscated by the police - and he burned himself alive in protest, dying painfully, a few days later in a hospital.

"The 'Spark' That Started it All "
"‎الشعب يريد إسقاط النظام = The people want to bring down the regime"
http://guides.library.cornell.edu/c.php?g=31688&p=200750

Strangely, or surprisingly, this event turned into the emergence of an Arab State in former Imperial Muslim Arab capitols of Baghdad (Iraq) and Damascus (Syria) known in the West by the acronym ISIS.

In this context I can only imagine that the West, including the USA, Israel, the United Kingdom/Great Britain, the Dutch Republic, Hungary, Lithuania, etc. (Italy?) will finally confront the "colonization" of the West by Muslims fleeing their own wars of mutual annihilation.

What is called, by the "elite" Liberal Establishment, which dominates the Globalized world, Ethnic Cleansing, will be confronted by Nationalism and Irredentism. In particular, as Iran is sending Shia into Syria were Sunnis have been massacred or fled as refugees, Israel will produce the option of Palestinian Sunni Settlements in Greater Syria to the North of Israel and the West Bank.

There is no reason to maintain the Two State Solution when the Palestinians/Arabs/Muslim have themselves destroyed it. Killing Jews in Israel means that every dead person so killed require at least an acre of "Palestinian" land in retribution. This is arguably consisted with Islamic law whereby the killing of a member of one tribe is literally payed for, in retribution, with money from the family of the Murdered.

No one (except me) imagines 70 counties meeting in Paris, France, to discuss and resolve the issue Taiwan in relation to the One China Policy. Similarly, there is no such meeting to discuss and resolve the issue of a Nuclear North Korea; or the island building and militarization of the South China Sea as alleged Chinese Sovereign territory; or the unification of Cypress, to be discussed in London, England perhaps.

In 1957/1959 Wilfred Cantwell Smith published his book, "Islam in Modern History" (I'm holding the pocketbook edition in my hand as I write). Chapter 3 is titled:

"The Arabs: Islamic Crisis." The chapter opens as follows: "The Arabs are a proud and sensitive people. No adequate understanding of their situation today is possible unless due weight is given to both these factors. Further, some appreciation is deeded of how much they have in their past of which to be proud, and how much in their present about which to be sensitive."

Today, this quote might be dismissed Racist, Stereotyping, Politically Incorrect, etc. But that's because of the other extreme in which Cultural or Civilizational Differences are ignored or abolished. I believe that Humiliation is a particularly Arab cultural notion, more so than in the West (how to show that I leave to sociologists to verify or falsify). But it is this concept which is at the root of the Tunisian suicide by self-emulation in 2011 (only 5 years ago). Similarly, Steadfastness (Stubbornness). Whether or not this latter notion is at the heart of "Palestinian" so-called "Resistance" I leave to Daniel Pipes to tell us, noting, however, that he already informed us that Arabs and Muslims have accepted defeat in the past.

Hasbara is the weakest part of Israeli and Zionist (Advertising, Propaganda, or Public Relations in the West) struggle. In particular, the Holocaust only ended in 1945 when World War Two end. Only 2 years later, in 1947, the World by the UN, through the General Assembly (not the Security Council), "decided" that Jews are to have a home in the Middle East. It included the "Recommendation" of Partition into two states, one Arab the other Jewish. However, on the ground, only the Jews accepted the recommended plan. However, since 1948, a State of War has existed between Jews and Israelis on the one side, and the Arab Palestinians, and mostly Arabs and Muslims, on the other side - except for Egypt and Jordan.

In that context I anticipate that President Donald Trump will move the American Embassy into the City of Jerusalem within a month of his moving to Washington, DC, into the White House. Will this Humiliate the Palestinians, Arabs, Iranians, and Muslims worldwide? Or should we rather expect that Deal-Maker Donald Trump to be Sensitive" to the delicate feelings of Muslims, Arabs, and Palestinians? But what about the Feelings of Americans who experienced the Muslim Terror in Manhattan on September 9, 2011? Jerusalem should be the Price Tag for 9/11 in the USA, don't you agree to this being fair?


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