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Reader comment on item: Are Muslims Fatalists?
in response to reader comment: Judeo-Christianity teaches self-reliant free-will and personal guilt, while islam only teaches alibi-excuses.

Submitted by Michael S (United States), Sep 22, 2015 at 17:37

Hi, Vladi. You said,

The bits you quote from Matthew aren't mirrored in Mark (the first and only real Gospel, which means they didn't originate from Mark, and so were added in later by Persons Unknown).

The "bits I quote from Matthew", I presume, were Matt 6: 25-34. I don't agree with your assertion that Matthew was not a "real" gospel, etc.; and I'm not too sure I want to start a debate on the matter. Let's see what else you said...

While the Old Testament is what Islam pretends to return to, and was indeed fatalistic, with YHVH being all-powerful and predeterministic excuse, nevertheless the Jews if not the Hebrews believed in personal guilt (see King Judah's Example) and free will.

I suppose you're speaking of the Jews in Jesus' time, when you say 'Jews". At that time, Jews were of various opinions on this and other matters. By "King Judah', are you referring to King David? He sinned concerning Uriah the Hittite, and admitted as much to God. He didn't blame God for his own sin. You went on,

The Book of Isaiah, too - the last one written before the advent of Jesus

Vlad, I'm having serious computer problems, so I will have to run. You seem to have a different bible from my own. Mine has many books written after the time of Isaiah.

I wrote what I did, mainly to ensure that readers do not confuse Bible believers with Muslims.


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