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Judeo-Christianity teaches self-reliant free-will and personal guilt, while islam only teaches alibi-excuses.

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Submitted by Uncle Vladdi (Canada), Sep 18, 2015 at 17:43

The bits you quote from Matthew aren't mirrored in Mark (the first and only real Gospel, which means they didn't originate from Mark, and so were added in later by Persons Unknown).

While the Old Testament is what Islam pretends to return to, and was indeed fatalistic, with YHVH being all-powerful and predeterministic excuse, nevertheless the Jews if not the Hebrews believed in personal guilt (see King Judah's Example) and free will. From this creed of admitting to one's own mistakes, they became able to learn from them - while muslims never have and never will, and so are only left with the "out" provided by Muhammad: They must always blame and get the infidels for allah, or allah will get them!

The Book of Isaiah, too - the last one written before the advent of Jesus - asserts that God HATES empty ritual imitations of thought, and useless sacrificial burnt offerings (the smell of which make Him want to puke!) and ONLY WANTS US TO REASON WITH HIM. Hence the Jews believe in free-will.

And, while Christianity seems to assert that whenever something good happens, it is due to God, while whenever something bad happens, it's all our faults, that's still better than the Qur'an, which says we have NO personal self-reliant responsibility for our own actions, and that effectively there are no real crimes nor criminals, because we're all really only helpless VICTIMS - exactly as today's Marxist liberals insist: of "historical predeterminism," of society, mere products of our environments, and slaves of allah:

The 'theological' notion of Allah's "oneness" is CRUCIAL to their main criminal, might-makes-right alibi, that "we aren't responsible, and no one is ever really a criminal anyway, because we're really all only victims:

"The Allah Made Me Do It!"

"In fact, I didn't do it at all – only the allah did it! Whee!"

[8.17] So you did not slay them, but it was Allah Who slew them, and you did not smite when you smote (the enemy), but it was Allah Who smote, and that He might confer upon the believers a good gift from Himself; surely Allah is All-Hearing, Knowing.

Sura 4:77: "Those who whined "Hold back your hands (from attacking)" were corrected:

"War is compulsory for us - the good and bad both come from allah!"

And, as Muhammad himself put it, "I have been made victorious through terror" (Bukhari 4.52.220).

So, islam is not a "religion" (at all, much less one "of peace") nor is it a "race" (at all, much less one of "Poor, Oppressed, People Of Colour")!

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(Capisce?)!

;-)

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1Daniel Pipes is too optimistic about the possibility that a moderate Islam can evolve [755 words]traehOct 10, 2015 04:46225548
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