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Islam is only the fatalistic idolatrous excuse of predetermined might-makes-right

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Submitted by Uncle Vladdi (Canada), Sep 18, 2015 at 01:13

One doesn't have to conduct a survey to find that fatalism is the lynch-pin of islam.


When islame was originally created, it was modeled on the Jews monotheism (whose twelve tribes are never at war with each other) because the pagan Arab tribes were always at war with each other; their so-called culture always was and still is only based on might-makes-right and us-against-them.

Muhammad simply codified that nonsense for all time, said god still wanted them to commit those crimes, "but only" against a common enemy: against anyone and everyone who refused to join Muhammad's new islamic war and plunder cult.

And of course Muhammad really only set this up to enrich himself, so he'd have an excuse to commit every crime known to man, enthusiastically and often. Needless to say, when not united in common hatred of non-moslems, all moslem Arabs (and moslems in general) still gleefully indulge in waging war on each other.

Islam indulges in group-might-makes-rights, ends-justify-means fatalism.

But the means used really only end up defining the end results: when you lie, cheat, steal and kill to get your way, you don't end up defined as a "great success," but only as a lying, murdering thief.

They base their sharia "legal" (crime) system on "All is allowed except that which is specifically forbidden."

But this "Anything goes" system pretends to include the "right" to attack innocent others first. The reality is, that those innocent others don't like that sort of thing, and when they outnumber those who pretend to have such a right to be irresponsible to those others, so it doesn't happen much these days. Well, except in the middle east, where long ago two or more warring Beduoin tribal chiefs each declared to the others: "In times of drought and famine, it is our holy right and duty to attack the rest of you first!" And the rest said: "Agreed!" Thus they pretended crime was OK since they all agreed to it. Today's liberals use this same group-might-makes-right excuse, saying "islam isn't evil because we all do it too! Whee!"

The real social contract, however, is based on the Golden Rule of Law, which simply defines morality in all situations as "Do Not Attack First!" It holds that our only real right is to not be attacked first, and our only real responsibility is to not attack others first.

By choosing to agree to obey the Golden Rule, we in the West achieve trust, progress, and civilization.

Moslems agree to the brazen rule of chaos ("always attack first!") and so inflict distrust, stagnation, and barbarism.

The 'theological' notion of Allah's "oneness" is CRUCIAL to their main criminal, might-makes-right alibi, that "we aren't responsible, and no one is ever really a criminal anyway, because we're really all only victims:

"The Allah Made Me Do It!"

"In fact, I didn't do it at all – only the allah did it! Whee!"

[8.17] So you did not slay them, but it was Allah Who slew them, and you did not smite when you smote (the enemy), but it was Allah Who smote, and that He might confer upon the believers a good gift from Himself; surely Allah is All-Hearing, Knowing.

Sura 4:77: "Those who whined "Hold back your hands (from attacking)" were corrected:

"War is compulsory for us - the good and bad both come from allah!"

Free Will, Fatalism,

and The Qur'an


***** FREE WILL *****



Sura 76:29:


This is an admonition: Whosoever will, let him take a (straight) Path to his Lord.


Context of Sura 76:29:


This passage is explained by the following verse,

"But you will not except as Allah wills."

Man doing wrong is thereby doing Allah's will.


Sura 3:108:


These are the Signs of Allah: We rehearse them to thee in Truth:

and Allah means no injustice to any of His creatures.


Context of Sura 3:108:


Here injustice is not the equivalent of free will.

Allah does want hell for those creatures who are "black" (3:106).


Sura 4:26:


Allah does wish to make clear to you and to guide you into the ways of those before you;

and (He does wish to) turn to you (In Mercy): and Allah is All-knowing, All-wise.


Context of Sura 4:26:


This promise of guidance is for believers in Allah, and not to "those who follow their lusts" (4:27).

Once again, the kindness of Allah is selective, not universal as seen in Christianity (John 3:16).


Sura 5:6


Allah does not wish to place you in a difficulty, but to make you clean,

and to complete His favour to you, that you may be grateful.


Context of Sura 5:6


This is another promise to "you who believe" (5:6) and not to all.

His favor is only upon those he selects and wills, and not upon all humankind.



Sura 33:33


And Allah only wishes to remove all abomination from you,

your Members of the Family, and to make you pure and spotless.


Context of Sura 33:33


The passage is referring to the household of the Prophet (Members)

and is not a universal promise for all Muslims, much less the entire world.


***** FATALISM *****



Sura 6:35:


If it were Allah's Will, he could gather them together unto true guidance:

So be not you among those who are swayed by ignorance and impatience!


Context of Sura 6:35:


In Islamic theology, Allah is all-powerful and all-knowing.

Yet, he chooses not to gather all people into true guidance.

This is the key passage in understanding the will and work of Allah.


Sura 10:25:


But Allah does call to the Home of Peace:

He does guide whom He pleases to a Way that is straight


Context of Sura 10:25:


Fatalism becomes even more dangerous since works determine part of Allah's mercy.

Allah does not desire to turn those who do wicked things to a straight path.

In regards to this "Home of Peace," the Hadith expounds,

"An angel is sent to him [in the womb] and given four commands with reference to his

sustenance, the duration of life, and whether he is to be wretched or happy ...."


Sura 6:125:


Those whom Allah wills to guide, - He opens their breast to Islam;

those whom He wills to leave straying, - He makes their breast close and constricted,

as if they had to climb up to the skies: thus does Allah lay abomination on those who refuse to believe.


Context of Sura 6:125:


Although the Muslim scholar reminds the reader of the Qur'an over and over about

human responsibility, this passage clearly demonstrates that Allah desires to leave

some straying, although he has no obligation to do so. In Christianity, God desires all,

although they are wicked, to be saved (2 Peter 3:9). One early Muslim scholar, Ibn Hazn,

wrote, "Nothing is good but Allah has made it so, and nothing is evil, but by His doing."

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1Daniel Pipes is too optimistic about the possibility that a moderate Islam can evolve [755 words]traehOct 10, 2015 04:46225548
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2Islam is only the fatalistic idolatrous excuse of predetermined might-makes-right [1194 words]Uncle VladdiSep 18, 2015 01:13225084
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2Judeo-Christianity teaches self-reliant free-will and personal guilt, while islam only teaches alibi-excuses. [432 words]Uncle VladdiSep 18, 2015 17:43225082
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