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Jordan and the Mandate for Palestine

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Submitted by David (United States), Jun 5, 2014 at 17:53

While Pipes is right that Jordan is not Palestine, disagree that it was only part of the Mandate for a few months. The Trans-Jordan 78% of the Mandate remained part of it until Jordan received independence from the Mandate only in 1946, one year before UNR 181.

That it is 78% of Palestine is why the PLO first fought the foreign Hashemite king for control of the land. Only after he slaughtered more than 10,000 in one month did they turn to focus solely on Israel. In fact, that's how the Black September group that slaughtered Israelis at the 1972 Munich Olympics got its name.

Jordan certainly was most of Palestine, almost the entire existence of the Mandate.


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Daniel Pipes replies:

I stand by my position. Here is an excerpt from Martin Sicker, Reshaping Palestine: From Muhammad Ali to the British Mandate, 1831-1922 (199), pp. 157-58.

On August 7, 1920, Herbert Samuel, the recently appointed high commissioner in Palestine, cabled London requesting permission to include Trans-Jordan directly under his administrative control, thereby allowing him to take the necessary steps to restore order in the territory. This would eliminate the threat of a French attempt to control the region from Damascus.

London, however, troubled by a declining economy at home and seeking ways to reduce military expenditures, was unwilling to commit any significant resources to an area that it considered to be of only marginal value. Curzon therefore rejected Samuel's appeal and proposed instead that a few political officers be sent to "such places as Salt and Kerak, provided that no military escorts are necessary to ensure their safety…. The duties of these officers should be confined to encouraging local self-government and to giving such advice as is asked for by the people…. There must be no question of setting up any British Administration in that area."

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You are wrong about when east bank was no longer Palestine [144 words]
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AllanDec 23, 2017 16:02241656
2Jordan and the Mandate for Palestine [118 words]
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DavidJun 5, 2014 17:53215263
2Proof of the difference between theory and practice [222 words]DavidJun 6, 2014 23:39215263
1Mudar Zahran [85 words]james hazan GBNov 17, 2013 05:23211585
3Palestine is a STATE [1237 words]Ant AlloyJan 13, 2013 15:45202585
3Palestine [44 words]mjazzguitarJan 27, 2013 15:08202585
1What the poster intentionally ignores [337 words]DavidJun 5, 2014 19:38202585
U.N. cannot create or un-create states - Read the U.N. Charter - Israel was created in the San Remo Treaty [647 words]YJ DraimanMay 1, 2015 00:12202585
3jordan was occupier too [63 words]staslandMar 26, 2012 16:38194780
6Entire Islamic world is mostly "occupied" [71 words]PrashantMar 27, 2012 02:09194780
Good info [44 words]sgribletMar 26, 2012 16:38194779
2Yes Jordan is Palestine [66 words]studentMar 6, 2012 17:39194020
1Jordan IS Palestine, no? [99 words]john7Mar 6, 2012 17:39194019
1Who are the Palestinians? [58 words]ffedkaFeb 10, 2012 02:28193262
Jordan [20 words]freddy johnFeb 10, 2012 02:28193261
... Jordan was declared independent of the Provisional State of Palestine in 1946 [72 words]talknicJul 30, 2011 02:13187854
2JORDEAN IS JORDAN [38 words]BASIL A. M.B ALAHMEDMar 13, 2011 20:04183371
2The sad truth as to why there is such a mess. Palestinian people you were had a long time ago and it was never the fault of the country we today call Israel.... [268 words]DanielFeb 8, 2012 16:43183371
3We are JORDANIANS and we refuse that Jordan is for Jordanians only "let Israel leave occupied Jerusalem & West Bank for the Palestinians to build their state and live in freedom" [39 words]Mohammed Khaled AlawamlehDec 15, 2010 11:19180995
Then do something [25 words]stanleyFeb 10, 2012 18:05180995
5There is a crucial mistake in the facts! [139 words]MichalNov 22, 2010 07:47180391
3The land belongs to its owners! [225 words]KismApr 8, 2011 20:46180391
3Reply to Kism on "land belongs to its owner" [196 words]PrashantApr 9, 2011 02:27180391
2Get your facts right hommie [80 words]kismApr 11, 2011 07:23180391
6Jordan now has to make sacrifices - Israel cannot carry the burden [54 words]BarryJul 28, 2010 17:00176127
2Palestinians know they can push Israel around. [55 words]HershlJul 11, 2010 07:06175423
3fraud [174 words]Yuval Brandstetter MDJul 2, 2010 05:31175057
Does Bibi and the Israeli public agree with this Blonde Prince? [110 words]james b from CanadaJul 3, 2010 16:06175057
4All Willders has done is tell the truth. [50 words]BarryJul 1, 2010 18:11175046
3Palestine and Sham [174 words]IdrisJul 1, 2010 05:26175036
2absolutely correct [45 words]Yuval Brandstetter MDJul 4, 2010 09:49175036
2This proves what racists people like Wilders are [41 words]Kevin MorrowJun 26, 2010 09:30174868
1Is Jordan Palestine? [50 words]MontyJun 22, 2010 10:43174658
5it is not Geert Wilders who will decide, it is the muslims who will decide if they wish PEACE and the land with that, or WAR and the lack of land with that. [69 words]Phil GreendJun 21, 2010 17:36174631
Phil Greend: ... [216 words]Eyad NusayrJul 27, 2010 15:31174631
2reply [68 words]Eyad NusayrAug 5, 2010 21:01174631
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ASSAF AWADALLHDec 26, 2009 12:51166302
3give me a break ! [164 words]John the TravellerDec 31, 2009 10:16166302
jordan [21 words]Miriam BarackFeb 25, 2010 13:38166302
1Jordan is Palestine [34 words]REXJun 22, 2010 19:54166302
Palestinians in Jordan [93 words]IdrisJul 4, 2010 13:11166302
1Arab interest in the Holy Land [99 words]yuval Brandstetter MDJul 5, 2010 14:13166302
11Assaf Awadallah: Misinformed and not very clever. [653 words]
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Eyad NusayrJul 26, 2010 04:50166302
2Well said about palestinians... [103 words]SvetJul 27, 2010 00:28166302
Fantastic and Priceless [4 words]SvetAug 2, 2010 08:19166302
2DO you live in Jordan?!? [119 words]Amer Al-HusseinDec 7, 2010 15:37166302
2ASSAF AWADALLH ... [17 words]Hisham ZorganJan 9, 2011 16:30166302
discrimination against palestinian in jordan [79 words]ASSAF AWADALLAHMay 8, 2011 15:35166302
A delusion: Once a victim, always a victim [95 words]A Curious JordanianJul 3, 2011 21:28166302
Jordanians were in Jordan befor AC [148 words]Younis Bani YounesMay 5, 2012 20:11166302
1The autonomous Jewish nation was in Jordan as much as in Israel [241 words]JaeNov 17, 2009 19:50164689
jews stay in palestine [40 words]matt pJun 28, 2008 04:18133663
ISRAEL. SON PASSÉ, SON AVENIR - H. DE VRIES DE HEEKELINGEN- Printed in 1937 [277 words]YnnatchkahMar 10, 2008 19:14122308
2Jordan is home for palestinians [305 words]clarence paul puckettOct 14, 2007 00:36111415
4Jordan is pal and all arabs in Judea/samaria should be sent to jordan and NOW !! [86 words]Don RosenbergSep 27, 2011 16:00111415
Iron fist [41 words]ginger treeSep 1, 2003 17:1610953
1The other "muslim" nations don't want the palestinians to go to another muslim nation, they want them to stay so they can whine about Israel ! [37 words]Phil GreendJun 20, 2010 18:3510953

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