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Submitted by Ant Alloy (United Kingdom), Jan 13, 2013 at 15:45

Dear All

May I respectfully draw your attention to the following please.

* The UN view of the Palestinian Territories can be seen at
the following URL: http://unispal.un.org/pdfs/OCH....

* The West Bank and East Jerusalem is occupied Palestine (bilaterally recognised by 132 nations in the world including India, China, Russia, Brazil, Malaysia, Indonesia, Thailand and Iceland).

* Palestine is officially a non-member State and recognised by the UN. 138 nations supported Palestine last November in its successful bid for statehood. France, Spain, Portugal, Ireland, Italy, Norway, Greece, Cyprus and Malta were among many European nations to support Palestine. Their vote for Palestine was important as were those cast by India, China, Russia, Brazil and New Zealand who supported Palestine too. The Secretary General of the UN and Vatican Church welcomed the re-birth of Palestine.

* However, Palestine (West Bank and East Jerusalem) is still illegally held and sadly Israel's Prime Minister Mr Netanyahu has ignored the ruling of the International Court of Justice (subsequently supported by the UN and EU) with respect to the "separation barrier". This "wall" is 3 times the length of the Berlin Wall.

* UNESCO's recognition of Palestine in 2011 was supported by France, Spain, Ireland, Belgium, Norway, Greece and other European nations.

* Please also see UNSC Resolution 478 concerning Jerusalem. The 4th Geneva Convention is applicable to all the Palestinian Territories.

* International law and UN Resolutions (over which there are over 150) are ignored by Israel's Prime Minister and Foreign Minister.

* UN Resolutions specify Israel's illegal hold of the Palestinian Territories to be a violation of the 4th Geneva Convention and as such is a War Crime under international law. More so now, that settlements are being placed in another nation.

Yours sincerely


*** UN Security Council Resolution 478 (1980) of 20 August
1980 - BINDING

The Security Council, recalling its resolution 476 (1980);
reaffirming again that the acquisition of territory by force is inadmissible;
deeply concerned over the enactment of a "basic law" in the Israeli
Knesset proclaiming a change in the character and status of the Holy City of
Jerusalem, with its implications for peace and security; noting that Israel has
not complied with resolution 476 (1980); reaffirming its determination to
examine practical ways and means, in accordance with the relevant provisions of
the Charter of the United Nations, to secure the full implementation of its
resolution 476 (1980), in the event of non-compliance by Israel ; Censures in
the strongest terms the enactment by Israel of the "basic law" on
Jerusalem and the refusal to comply with relevant Security Council resolutions;


*** Resolution 694 (1991) - BINDING

Adopted by the Security Council at its 2989th meeting on 24
May 1991

The Security Council,

Reaffirming its resolution 681 (1990),

Having learned with deep concern and consternation that
Israel has, in violation of its obliga-tions under the Fourth Geneva Convention
of 1949, and acting in opposition to relevant Security Council resolutions, and
to the detriment of efforts to achieve a comprehensive, just and lasting peace
in the Middle East, deported four Palestinian civilians on 18 May 1991,

1. Declares that the action of the Israeli authorities of
deporting four Palestinians on 18 May is in violation of the Fourth Geneva
Convention of 1949, which is applicable to all the Pales-tinian territories
occupied by Israel since 1967, including Jerusalem;

2. Deplores this action and reiterates that Israel, the
occupying Power, refrain from deporting any Palestinian civilian from the
occupied territories and ensure the save and immediate return of all those

3. Decides to keep the situation under review.

*** Resolution 672 (1990) - BINDING

Adopted by the Security Council at its 2948th meeting on 12
October 1990

The Security Council,

Recalling its resolutions 476 (1980) and 478 (1980),

Reaffirming that a just and lasting solution to the
Arab-Israeli conflict must be based on its resolutions 242 (1967) and 338
(1973) through an active negotiating process which takes into account the right
to security for all States in the region, including Israel, as well as the
legitimate political rights of the Palestinian people,

Taking into consideration the statement of the
Secretary-General relative to the purpose of the mission he is sending to the
region and conveyed to the Council by the President on 12 October 1990,

1. Expresses alarm at the violence which took place on 8
October at the Al Haram al Shareef and other Holy Places of Jerusalem resulting
in over twenty Palestinian deaths and to the in-jury of more than one hundred
and fifty people, including Palestinian civilians and innocent worshippers;

2. Condemns especially the acts of violence committed by the
Israeli security forces resulting in injuries and loss of human life;

3. Calls upon Israel, the occupying Power, to abide
scrupulously by its legal obligations and responsibilities under the Fourth
Geneva Convention, which is applicable to all the territories occupied by
Israel since 1967;

4. Requests, in connection with the decision of the
Secretary-General to send a mission to the region, which the Council welcomes,
that he submit a report to it before the end of October 1990 containing his
findings and conclusions and that he use as appropriate all the resources of
the United Nations in the region in carrying out the mission.

24th April 2012 – UK Foreign Secretary William Hague said:

"I strongly condemn the Israeli government's decision
yesterday to turn three illegal outposts in the West Bank into settlements. I
urged the Israeli government in my statement on 5 April to remove - not
legalise - outposts across the West Bank".

Furthermore, I would like to refer you to specific serious concerns raised by the International Court of Justice (2004) - with relevance to the 'security barrier' - which was viewed with alarm by the international community. Incidentally the reference to the illegality of settlements in the West Bank and East Jerusalem was also reinforced when the International Court of Justice also found the following (indeed the EU supported the UN vote pertaining to the 'security barrier'):

* That the separation barrier is intended to assist the settlements, the establishment of which violates Article 49 of the Convention. Also, the court pointed out that the restrictions placed on the local population located between the barrier and the Green Line are liable to lead to abandonment of the land, which also constitutes a violation of Article 49. In addition, the opinion stated that taking control of private land to build the barrier injured
private property owners, and thus violated Articles 46 and 52 of the Hague Regulations of 1907 and of Article 53 of the Fourth Geneva Convention.

* The illegality of the barrier under international human rights law. In this context, the court stated unequivocally, and contrary to the position held by Israel, that international human rights law applies in its entirety in occupied territory, along with humanitarian law. The court ruled that the separation barrier violates rights set forth in conventions to which
Israel is party. The court mentioned the rights to freedom of movement and the
right against invasion of privacy of home and family, which are enshrined in Articles 12 and 17 of the International Covenant on Civil and Political Rights, and the right to work, to an adequate standard of living, health, and education, which are enshrined in Articles 6, 11, 12, and 13 of the International covenant on Economic, Social and Cultural rights.



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You are wrong about when east bank was no longer Palestine [144 words]
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AllanDec 23, 2017 16:02241656
2Jordan and the Mandate for Palestine [118 words]
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2Proof of the difference between theory and practice [222 words]DavidJun 6, 2014 23:39215263
1Mudar Zahran [85 words]james hazan GBNov 17, 2013 05:23211585
3Palestine is a STATE [1237 words]Ant AlloyJan 13, 2013 15:45202585
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1What the poster intentionally ignores [337 words]DavidJun 5, 2014 19:38202585
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6Entire Islamic world is mostly "occupied" [71 words]PrashantMar 27, 2012 02:09194780
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2Yes Jordan is Palestine [66 words]studentMar 6, 2012 17:39194020
1Jordan IS Palestine, no? [99 words]john7Mar 6, 2012 17:39194019
1Who are the Palestinians? [58 words]ffedkaFeb 10, 2012 02:28193262
Jordan [20 words]freddy johnFeb 10, 2012 02:28193261
... Jordan was declared independent of the Provisional State of Palestine in 1946 [72 words]talknicJul 30, 2011 02:13187854
2JORDEAN IS JORDAN [38 words]BASIL A. M.B ALAHMEDMar 13, 2011 20:04183371
2The sad truth as to why there is such a mess. Palestinian people you were had a long time ago and it was never the fault of the country we today call Israel.... [268 words]DanielFeb 8, 2012 16:43183371
3We are JORDANIANS and we refuse that Jordan is for Jordanians only "let Israel leave occupied Jerusalem & West Bank for the Palestinians to build their state and live in freedom" [39 words]Mohammed Khaled AlawamlehDec 15, 2010 11:19180995
Then do something [25 words]stanleyFeb 10, 2012 18:05180995
5There is a crucial mistake in the facts! [139 words]MichalNov 22, 2010 07:47180391
3The land belongs to its owners! [225 words]KismApr 8, 2011 20:46180391
3Reply to Kism on "land belongs to its owner" [196 words]PrashantApr 9, 2011 02:27180391
2Get your facts right hommie [80 words]kismApr 11, 2011 07:23180391
6Jordan now has to make sacrifices - Israel cannot carry the burden [54 words]BarryJul 28, 2010 17:00176127
2Palestinians know they can push Israel around. [55 words]HershlJul 11, 2010 07:06175423
3fraud [174 words]Yuval Brandstetter MDJul 2, 2010 05:31175057
Does Bibi and the Israeli public agree with this Blonde Prince? [110 words]james b from CanadaJul 3, 2010 16:06175057
4All Willders has done is tell the truth. [50 words]BarryJul 1, 2010 18:11175046
3Palestine and Sham [174 words]IdrisJul 1, 2010 05:26175036
2absolutely correct [45 words]Yuval Brandstetter MDJul 4, 2010 09:49175036
2This proves what racists people like Wilders are [41 words]Kevin MorrowJun 26, 2010 09:30174868
1Is Jordan Palestine? [50 words]MontyJun 22, 2010 10:43174658
5it is not Geert Wilders who will decide, it is the muslims who will decide if they wish PEACE and the land with that, or WAR and the lack of land with that. [69 words]Phil GreendJun 21, 2010 17:36174631
Phil Greend: ... [216 words]Eyad NusayrJul 27, 2010 15:31174631
2reply [68 words]Eyad NusayrAug 5, 2010 21:01174631
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ASSAF AWADALLHDec 26, 2009 12:51166302
3give me a break ! [164 words]John the TravellerDec 31, 2009 10:16166302
jordan [21 words]Miriam BarackFeb 25, 2010 13:38166302
1Jordan is Palestine [34 words]REXJun 22, 2010 19:54166302
Palestinians in Jordan [93 words]IdrisJul 4, 2010 13:11166302
1Arab interest in the Holy Land [99 words]yuval Brandstetter MDJul 5, 2010 14:13166302
11Assaf Awadallah: Misinformed and not very clever. [653 words]
w/response from Daniel Pipes
Eyad NusayrJul 26, 2010 04:50166302
2Well said about palestinians... [103 words]SvetJul 27, 2010 00:28166302
Fantastic and Priceless [4 words]SvetAug 2, 2010 08:19166302
2DO you live in Jordan?!? [119 words]Amer Al-HusseinDec 7, 2010 15:37166302
2ASSAF AWADALLH ... [17 words]Hisham ZorganJan 9, 2011 16:30166302
discrimination against palestinian in jordan [79 words]ASSAF AWADALLAHMay 8, 2011 15:35166302
A delusion: Once a victim, always a victim [95 words]A Curious JordanianJul 3, 2011 21:28166302
Jordanians were in Jordan befor AC [148 words]Younis Bani YounesMay 5, 2012 20:11166302
1The autonomous Jewish nation was in Jordan as much as in Israel [241 words]JaeNov 17, 2009 19:50164689
jews stay in palestine [40 words]matt pJun 28, 2008 04:18133663
ISRAEL. SON PASSÉ, SON AVENIR - H. DE VRIES DE HEEKELINGEN- Printed in 1937 [277 words]YnnatchkahMar 10, 2008 19:14122308
2Jordan is home for palestinians [305 words]clarence paul puckettOct 14, 2007 00:36111415
4Jordan is pal and all arabs in Judea/samaria should be sent to jordan and NOW !! [86 words]Don RosenbergSep 27, 2011 16:00111415
Iron fist [41 words]ginger treeSep 1, 2003 17:1610953
1The other "muslim" nations don't want the palestinians to go to another muslim nation, they want them to stay so they can whine about Israel ! [37 words]Phil GreendJun 20, 2010 18:3510953

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