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Assaf Awadallah: Misinformed and not very clever.

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Submitted by Eyad Nusayr (United States), Jul 26, 2010 at 04:50

Assaf Awadallah: It seems you have not read or understood the article. You are a Palestinian but you are making the same arguments that the Israelis make to support their claim that Jordan is Palestine;


As a Jordanian whose family have lived in the north of Jordan for centuries and since local history is a hobby of mine allow me to educate you a little bit:
Historically, and up to the early 20th century, half the population of Jordan were Fellahin (farmers), I say this because most Palestinian have the notion the Jordanians are Bedouins that have no connection to the land and that Jordan was 100% desert before they came in 1948.

Most of the clans of Jordan (even the Bedouins) have a verbal history that connects them to the land on which they live on for centuries. I say this because Palestinians like to claim that the Bedouins of Jordan came with Abdullah bin Hussein during the Arab Revolt.

The local dialects (which, linguistically, takes hundreds of years to form) in Jordan are unique and very different than the local dialects of Palestine. It is easy not only to distinguish Palestinians from Jordanians but also north Jordanians from south Jordanians by their choice of consonants and pronunciation of vowels.

As the article pointed out; Jordan is not the desert of Palestine (read the article to find out why).

You say that "THERE WAS NO SUCH A PLACE CALL JORDAN UNTIL THE ENGLISH CAME AND ESTABLISHED TRANS OF JORDAN IN 1921". If by that you mean the political entity that is the Jordan of today I would agree with you, but neither did Syria or Iraq exist for that matter. If by Jordan you mean the people and their connection to the land I think I already answered that one.

You say" NOW THE RACIST GOVERNMENT OF JORDAN REVOKING THE CITEZEN SHIP FROM JORDANIAN OF PALESTINIAN ORIGIN BECAUSE THEY ARE SCARED THAT THE PALESTINANS WILL TAKE OVER THEIR COUNTRY AGAIN." Wrong; this is a result of the decision of King Husein to let go of the West Bank and give it to the PLO. Now all those Palestinians became Jordanian citizens because Jordan annexed the West Bank; it would be only fair to revoke their citizenship since the annexation was reversed. Compare Jordan to Syria, Lebanon or Egypt who refuse to give Palestinians citizenship to this day.

You say "IF YOU LOOK AT JORDAN GOVERNMENT YOU WILL HARDLY FIND ANY PALASTINIAN REPRESENTATIVE OR GOVERNMENTAL OFFICICAL S." Again wrong; just look at the heads of government over the years and their cabinets.

Assaf, you want Mr. Pipes to investigate this issue and to force the king to do something about it by cutting financial aid. You realize that is akin to treason but that is not surprising since although Palestinians like you claim that Jordan is theirs to have and keep, none of you has the best interest of Jordan or its people at heart.

It was wrong that Israel kicked out all those Palestinian but it was equally wrong that we Jordanians had to tolerate them as refugees to share land and water with with very little help from the outside. It was wrong to give them citizenship and allow them to terrorize Europe utilizing Jordanian passports to get in. There was a time when we Jordanians couldn't travel anywhere because Palestinian "freedom fighters" were using the Jordanian citizenship and travel documents to do their dirty work.

Mr. Pipes, if you ever have time please write about the 2nd biggest victim of the Arab-Israeli conflict; the people of Jordan.


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Daniel Pipes replies:

"Mr. Pipes, if you ever have time please write about the 2nd biggest victim of the Arab-Israeli conflict; the people of Jordan."

I am learning from this exchange - thank you for it.

I had not thought of native Jordanians as the second biggest victim of the Arab-Israeli conflict but, once put that way, it makes sense.

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6Entire Islamic world is mostly "occupied" [71 words]PrashantMar 27, 2012 02:09194780
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1Jordan IS Palestine, no? [99 words]john7Mar 6, 2012 17:39194019
1Who are the Palestinians? [58 words]ffedkaFeb 10, 2012 02:28193262
Jordan [20 words]freddy johnFeb 10, 2012 02:28193261
... Jordan was declared independent of the Provisional State of Palestine in 1946 [72 words]talknicJul 30, 2011 02:13187854
2JORDEAN IS JORDAN [38 words]BASIL A. M.B ALAHMEDMar 13, 2011 20:04183371
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3We are JORDANIANS and we refuse that Jordan is for Jordanians only "let Israel leave occupied Jerusalem & West Bank for the Palestinians to build their state and live in freedom" [39 words]Mohammed Khaled AlawamlehDec 15, 2010 11:19180995
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5There is a crucial mistake in the facts! [139 words]MichalNov 22, 2010 07:47180391
3The land belongs to its owners! [225 words]KismApr 8, 2011 20:46180391
3Reply to Kism on "land belongs to its owner" [196 words]PrashantApr 9, 2011 02:27180391
2Get your facts right hommie [80 words]kismApr 11, 2011 07:23180391
6Jordan now has to make sacrifices - Israel cannot carry the burden [54 words]BarryJul 28, 2010 17:00176127
2Palestinians know they can push Israel around. [55 words]HershlJul 11, 2010 07:06175423
3fraud [174 words]Yuval Brandstetter MDJul 2, 2010 05:31175057
Does Bibi and the Israeli public agree with this Blonde Prince? [110 words]james b from CanadaJul 3, 2010 16:06175057
4All Willders has done is tell the truth. [50 words]BarryJul 1, 2010 18:11175046
3Palestine and Sham [174 words]IdrisJul 1, 2010 05:26175036
2absolutely correct [45 words]Yuval Brandstetter MDJul 4, 2010 09:49175036
2This proves what racists people like Wilders are [41 words]Kevin MorrowJun 26, 2010 09:30174868
1Is Jordan Palestine? [50 words]MontyJun 22, 2010 10:43174658
5it is not Geert Wilders who will decide, it is the muslims who will decide if they wish PEACE and the land with that, or WAR and the lack of land with that. [69 words]Phil GreendJun 21, 2010 17:36174631
Phil Greend: ... [216 words]Eyad NusayrJul 27, 2010 15:31174631
2reply [68 words]Eyad NusayrAug 5, 2010 21:01174631
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ASSAF AWADALLHDec 26, 2009 12:51166302
3give me a break ! [164 words]John the TravellerDec 31, 2009 10:16166302
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1Jordan is Palestine [34 words]REXJun 22, 2010 19:54166302
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1Arab interest in the Holy Land [99 words]yuval Brandstetter MDJul 5, 2010 14:13166302
11Assaf Awadallah: Misinformed and not very clever. [653 words]
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Eyad NusayrJul 26, 2010 04:50166302
2Well said about palestinians... [103 words]SvetJul 27, 2010 00:28166302
Fantastic and Priceless [4 words]SvetAug 2, 2010 08:19166302
2DO you live in Jordan?!? [119 words]Amer Al-HusseinDec 7, 2010 15:37166302
2ASSAF AWADALLH ... [17 words]Hisham ZorganJan 9, 2011 16:30166302
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A delusion: Once a victim, always a victim [95 words]A Curious JordanianJul 3, 2011 21:28166302
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1The autonomous Jewish nation was in Jordan as much as in Israel [241 words]JaeNov 17, 2009 19:50164689
jews stay in palestine [40 words]matt pJun 28, 2008 04:18133663
ISRAEL. SON PASSÉ, SON AVENIR - H. DE VRIES DE HEEKELINGEN- Printed in 1937 [277 words]YnnatchkahMar 10, 2008 19:14122308
2Jordan is home for palestinians [305 words]clarence paul puckettOct 14, 2007 00:36111415
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Iron fist [41 words]ginger treeSep 1, 2003 17:1610953
1The other "muslim" nations don't want the palestinians to go to another muslim nation, they want them to stay so they can whine about Israel ! [37 words]Phil GreendJun 20, 2010 18:3510953

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