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The hadith is all bogus!

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Submitted by dhimmi no more (United States), Jul 3, 2007 at 07:38

The great scholar Ignaz Goldziher proved that the hadith is anachronistic and must be regarded as a by product of the economic, legal and political aspirations of the Muslim community in the 3rd century of Islam (the time when the hadith was "collected") and it has nothing to do with the historical Muhammad.

More interesting is the fact that the main sources of the hadith are the following characters:

1. Ibn Abbas: he died in either 687CE or 693CE and only Allahu A3lam or 55-61 years after the death of Muhammad in 632CE. This is at a time when the life span was 35 years! The chances are Ibn Abbas did not know Muhammad and he was very young or not even born when Muhammad died in 632CE. So much for ibn Abbas.

2. 3A'isha we are told that she was 18 years old when Muhammad died in 632CE. Now she lived with him from age 9 (she married him at age 6) and this would bring us back to 623CE which would make her not an authority on the Meccan period or the Hijra. And what does a 9 or 10 or 11 or 12 or 13 etc... year old really know or understand? Not much

So much for the main sources of the hadith.

But the final nail in the coffin of the hadith is what Crone wrote:

"Bukhari is said to have examined a total of 600,000 traditions attributed to the Prophet; he preserved some 7,000 including repetitions, or in other words dismissed some 593,000 as inauthentic. If ibn Hanbal examined a similar number of traditions he must have rejected about 570,000 his collection containing some 30,000 again including repetitions are transmitted by the companion ibn Abbas. Of ibn Hanbal's traditions 1,710 are transmitted by the companion ibn Abbas. Yet less than 50 years earlier one scholar had estimated that ibn Abbas had only heard 9 traditions from the Prophet, while another thought that the correct figure might be 10. If ibn Abbas had heard 10 traditions from the Prophet in the years around 800, but over a 1000 by 850, how many had he heard in 700 or 632? even if we accept that 10 of ibn Abbas' traditions are authentic how do we identify them in a pool of 1,710? we do not even know whether they are to be found in this pool as opposed to that of the 530,000 traditions dismissed on the ground that their chains of authorities were faulty. Under such circumstances it is scacely justified to presume hadith to be authentic until the contary has been proven."

So we are left with the Qur'an that opaque revelation and stay tuned for more.

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