Predicting the 2008 U.S. Presidential Election
by Daniel Pipes April 23, 2008
updated Nov 8, 2008
http://www.danielpipes.org/blog/2008/04/predicting-the-2008-us-presidential-election
In March 2004, I took a risk and in a blog titled "Predictions about the 2004 U.S. Presidential Election" stated that "I expect the U.S. presidential election in 2004 will be a Bush blow-out, reminiscent of 1984."
Today, I took a similar trip out on a limb and replied to a question about Barack Obama:
He is the first far-leftist possibly to become the Democratic candidate for U.S. president since George McGovern succeeded at this in 1972. Should Obama be nominated, I expect he will do less badly than McGovern (who won just 17 out of 537 electoral college votes), but he will also do very badly.
 Barack Obama - will he fare as badly as George McGovern? |
I wrote the above reply yesterday, before the Pennsylvania primary results had come in; today, John Judis published a piece along the same lines, " The Next McGovern?" in which he finds that, "if you look at Obama's vote in Pennsylvania, you begin to see the outlines of the old George McGovern coalition that haunted the Democrats during the '70s and '80s, led by college students and minorities." Also, Obama "seems to be acquiring the religious profile of the old McGovern coalition." Judis concludes: "There is nothing wrong with winning over voters who are very liberal and who never attend religious services; but if they begin to become Obama's most fervent base of support, he will have trouble (to say the least) in November." (April 23, 2008)
 George McGovern generated excitement in his day, 1972. |
Apr. 28, 2008 update: William Tucker agrees in "Goodbye to the New Deal":
it appears that, in a year when the Democrats were supposed to make their triumphant re-entry into Presidential politics, we may be witnessing the final demise of the New Deal. The Pennsylvania primary was a clincher. Obama has two constituencies -- African Americans and college-educated liberals. They're both passionate bloc voters and will turn out in droves. But their numbers are limited. They'll give Obama Massachusetts, Rhode Island, Mississippi, Illinois, and maybe California and Oregon, but that will be about it.
Nov. 5, 2008 update: Well, this prediction was badly wrong. To explain it away, I could point to the fall's financial problems, the media's bias, or to the McCain campaign's many errors, but there's a deeper issue here. I had confidence that the American people would reject Obama when they learned about his extremist political views, dubious associations, and biographical mysteries. I am astonished that these problems hardly registered, I feel bewildered by my own country, and apprehensive by what comes next.
Two things worry me most:
(1) This unexplained reference, in a speech on July 2, 2008: "We cannot continue to rely only on our military in order to achieve the national security objectives that we've set. We've got to have a civilian national security force that's just as powerful, just as strong, just as well funded." What does this mean? According to Lee Cary at American Thinker, "Obama aims to tap into the already active volunteerism of millions of Americans and recruit them to become cogs in a gigantic government machine grinding out his social re-engineering agenda. It's Orwellian-like, with a novice social activist's mentality at the helm."
(2) The massive crowds attending Obama; in the Associated Press description, "In Chicago, Obama's hometown, an estimated 125,000 people gathered in unusually warm weather to greet the senator at a delirious victory rally at Grant Park." Fouad Ajami notes the novelty of this phenomenon in American politics: "Hitherto, crowds have not been a prominent feature of American politics. We associate them with the temper of Third World societies." Ajami, a Lebanese immigrant, ominously concludes that "those vast Obama crowds, though, have recalled for me the politics of charisma that wrecked Arab and Muslim societies."
Then, to round out this decidedly unusual electoral season, there is the matter of what I call history's largest stink-bomb – the question of Obama's birth in Hawaii and his eligibility to serve as president of the United States. Although the mainstream media has almost unanimously ignored the Philip Berg lawsuit wending its way through the legal system, Obama's reluctance to settle this issue simply by providing the proper documentation makes one wonder if really he can do so. Should he not, the implications are breathtaking.
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| Bewilderment [80 words] | Leonard Boasberg | Dec 1, 2008 22:53 | | Predictions [41 words] | Talia Katz | Nov 12, 2008 11:29 | | The Phenomenon of Crowds Around American Political Leaders And Advocates [843 words] | Alice Ann Stern | Nov 11, 2008 17:22 | | ↔ Secret Service could NOT confirm cries of "kill him!" [393 words] | AmericanVoter | Nov 20, 2008 16:50 | | ↔ Dear American Voter, November 20, 2008 at 16:50 [245 words] | Alice Ann Stern | Nov 21, 2008 11:55 | | ↔ Ms. Stern also cannot confirm cries of "kill him" vs. Obama [420 words] | AmericanVoter | Nov 26, 2008 03:00 | | ↔ All Daniel Pipes needs is...a warm puppy [155 words] | jennifer solis | Nov 29, 2008 15:00 | | ↔ Hey Ann Stern, maybe you should join those ex-pats [114 words] | james from Canada | Dec 5, 2008 17:49 | | ↔ -- Dear Jenny Solis [77 words] | Alice Ann Stern | Dec 8, 2008 19:12 | | ↔ Non-citizens care less about America? 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