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Identifying Islamists - an unworkable proposition!

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Submitted by Rich McMahon (United States), May 25, 2016 at 12:24

I read with interest Dr. Pipes' column: "Finally Getting Serious about Identifying Islamists?" At first blush the French appear to be over reacting or even floundering, by firing (i.e., withdrawing their security passes) Muslim airport workers e.g., "having Korans in their lockers, and /or refusing to trim a beard or to shake hands with female colleagues."

I then explored Dr. Pipes' embedded link to his suggestions on how to ferret out potentially terrorism-inclined Islamists thru a series of interview questions. The questions, while largely appropriate for 2003 (when they were composed) and al Qaeda seem misplaced and actually naive when transported to 2016 and posed to say, ISIS members.

Here are a few:

"Violence: Do you condone or condemn the Palestinians, Chechens, and Kashmiris who give up their lives to kill enemy civilians? Will you condemn by name as terrorist groups such organizations as Abu Sayyaf, Al-Gama'a al-Islamiyya, Groupe Islamique Armée, Hamas, Harakat ul-Mujahidin, Hizbullah, Islamic Jihad, Jaish-e-Mohammed, Lashkar-e-Tayyiba, and al-Qaida?"

"Modernity: Should Muslim women have equal rights with men (for example, in inheritance shares or court testimony)?......."

"Secularism: Should non-Muslims enjoy completely equal civil rights with Muslims? May Muslims convert to other religions? May Muslim women marry non-Muslim men? Do you accept the laws of a majority non-Muslim government and unreservedly pledge allegiance to that government?......"

My contention is twofold: a. Today's Islamists, notably ISIS, are far more sophisticated than their Al Qaeda counterparts of a dozen years ago, such that none could be expected to answer these questions honestly (or instead would be trained to provide 'correct' answers, evading their true inclinations) and b. among today's mainstay Muslim airport workers (i.e., non-Islamists) few, if any, could be expected to respond to these questions honestly but acceptably, i.e. to rule out their being terrorists.

Conclusion: developing an exacting methodology to identify Muslim terrorists from non-terrorist Muslim workers in a critical airport environment while protecting non-Islamists' freedoms of religion is likely an impossible proposition. Maybe the French (& Donald Trump!) have the right idea!

Submitting....

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Daniel Pipes replies:

I have updated that list of questions and am waiting for their publication before long, when I will post them on this website.

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2Sayyid el-Qimni and the words Jihad and Islamophobia [112 words]dhimmi no moreJun 13, 2016 18:12229982
4The amazing Sayyid el-Qimni [272 words]dhimmi no moreJun 11, 2016 07:36229937
2"Qur'an is a historical text, not perfect for all times and all places" [109 words]AVJun 27, 2016 00:29229937
Qu'ran is a text defined by abrogation to be used as convenience suits ... [176 words]kmanJul 21, 2016 17:24229937
2Secularists in Egypt [97 words]dhimmi no moreJun 5, 2016 10:25229834
1Allah, the Compassionate, the Merciful [634 words]Michael SJun 7, 2016 15:53229834
1al-Bukhari and lice! [121 words]dhimmi no moreJun 9, 2016 06:52229834
The knife is ready... [242 words]Michael SJun 11, 2016 22:04229834
Get Serious About Identifying Competent Identifiers [177 words]DaveMay 28, 2016 18:42229711
French lives matter [96 words]JeffMay 27, 2016 10:53229698
The French have generally been good friends to the US [136 words]Michael SMay 31, 2016 14:53229698
Agreed [115 words]JeffJun 2, 2016 22:14229698
Western friends [211 words]Michael SJun 7, 2016 07:22229698
Identifying Islamists - an unworkable proposition! [334 words]
w/response from Daniel Pipes
Rich McMahonMay 25, 2016 12:24229661
2how do we assess Islamic deception and dissimulation ? [141 words]Paul ChristopherJun 14, 2016 05:16229661
overdue article;subject on American safety;lives [55 words]Don MarshMay 25, 2016 10:43229658
overdue article;subject on American safety;lives [55 words]Don MarshMay 25, 2016 10:42229657
2المتأسلمين al-Muta'slmeen instead of الاسلاميون or al-Islamiyuun [106 words]
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dhimmi no moreMay 24, 2016 18:23229644
Early sign for identifying Islamists [16 words]ArnieMay 24, 2016 11:33229643
2Finally Getting Serious....... [89 words]martybetteMay 24, 2016 09:44229641
1THERE'S NO MONEY IN SOLUTIONS! [153 words]UNCLE VLADDIMay 26, 2016 17:05229641
Getting Serious about Identifying Islamists [1819 words]Vishu MenonMay 24, 2016 06:59229639
1Why fear the Muslims? These typical American kids will put a chill up your spine. [147 words]
w/response from Daniel Pipes
Michael SMay 24, 2016 06:02229637
Would Bill Ayers be vetted? [75 words]Michael SMay 26, 2016 14:51229637
More Draconian Than Trump [124 words]
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BillMay 23, 2016 22:41229631
Screening for terrorists. [43 words]donMay 23, 2016 22:24229630
2HOW TO DETECT "ISLAMISTS"101: [53 words]UNCLE VLADDIMay 23, 2016 21:15229628
5How to recognize an Islamist? [70 words]PrashantJun 2, 2016 02:05229628
2WHY DO LEFTISTS ENDORSE ISLAM? [559 words]UNCLE VLADDIJun 2, 2016 16:51229628
1Not serious [20 words]MarkMay 23, 2016 20:09229621

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