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Getting Serious about Identifying Islamists

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Submitted by Vishu Menon (United States), May 24, 2016 at 06:59

Is Peter's right to privacy more important than Paul's right to life and the lives of his family, friends and neighbours?

Let's not confuse between "Islamists' and "Muslims".... An Islamist in the present context is one who intends to do or does social damage and mass murder in the name of Islam. Islamist-terrorists could be bearded, turbaned and fierce looking brown men from the East; they could be white, mild-mannered and soft-spoken Christian-born youngsters from Arkansas or Honolulu or Glasgow from church-going families (assuming, for the moment, that church-going families are paragons of virtue).

The former are trained to be violent towards non-believers right from their cradle; others are those who suddenly discover that Islam is the right path to heaven and Bashar-al Assad is the cruelest villain who needs to be caught and punished, and for that reason rush to Syria via an obliging Turkey immigration. It could even be some who get a violent erection at the sight of one cutting another's throat ever so slowly and steadily while mouthing the greatness of Allah and his Prophet. You might also find among them a young teenage girl (Christian-born or Muslim-born) who fantasizes adventure in temporarily marrying a Jihadist with blood-stained hands and then marrying another when this one is dead. It takes all kinds to make up an Islamist. You have all kinds among those who had gone to Syria to 'fight the villain Assad" and then are forced to stick around and cut throats lest their own throats be cut. From Pakistan, Afghanistan, Bangladesh and other few Muslim countries, there is a steady flow after sound battle-training byTaliban, ISI , Al-Qaeda, Harkat-ul-Jihad-al Islami Bangladesh (HuJI-B) and Boko Haram and Al Shabab from Western Africa. There is also the free flow of funds and channelling of trade (oil, mainly) through supposedly US-friendly (and practically US-made) Saudi Arabia.

So how do you stem the flow? By vigilance and counter-measures, but not by relentless killing. Every Muslim – good or bad - killed will be seen as the murder of a Muslim (not an Islamist-terrorist) and thereby beget a dozen in his place. Screen and watch everyone – visitor or domestic – without isolating Muslim citizens for special screening and extra-intensive treatment. Big brother is watching anyways, so let him set his eyes a little more carefully on all citizens.

The government is already encroaching on privacy by frisking the private regions of every individual walking into an airport or similar places where people gather where the 'Islamist' is likely to find a more effective 'yield' in human lives and limbs. They easily find the breast implant s, copper IUD in the vagina, secret cameras, pace-makers - even staples on your ribs and probably chuckle over the findings at tea time. So in reality personal privacy no longer exists. (It never existed – after all, the Biggest Brother, God, had always been watching you even when you fiddled with yourself in the bathroom). Not long ago, British immigration used to conduct 'virginity tests' on South Asian women entering the Country pretending to be newly married to British citizens. It is safely assumed that George Bush had installed an eavesdropper in Angela Merkels' bedroom and that the CIA wouldn't let Obama remove it. So what? Life goes and Angela probably has a blissful married life with Joachim. When it is a case of lives versus privacy, life assumes far greater importance and, like it or not , we tacitly accept it. So search and eavesdrop better. It is already being done, and a number of suicide bombings and gun attacks were presumably foiled before they could happen; some unfortunately got through. Minimise the possibility even further.

A Jihadist like Anjem Choudary, who openly speaks for the cause of Islamic State and gets away with it in England, would quote the civilized laws of western nations when caught or tried while insisting on practicing the laws of Moses borrowed by Sharia in the host country. I do not think there is anything wrong in democratic governments enforcing the Sharia law on those who want Sharia law within the area of their occupation, within the community, or in the entire nation. How about seating Anjem Choudary in a pit and stoning him for being a terrorist originally from the developing world? That racist and discriminatory suggestion is on account of the fact that Saudis don't stone or behead people from the West; only those from the 'developing' nations.

It would be right to watch every citizen - I'm sure CIA gleefully watch the President since the Oval Office episode - for his action and inclination. Don't interfere with legitimate criticism of the government or the governing, but look out for secret meetings, sudden spurt in religious enthusiasm, sudden interest in guns and chemicals that could be used to make crude bombs. The eyes of suspicion should fall on all - Christian, White Supremacist, pro-Nazi, Hindu, Jewish, Sikh and Buddhist enthusiasm - for all of them have a way of causing harm by becoming terrorists, or by enlarging the Islamic spirit of vendetta.

Teach evolution in school; let the parents or the preacher teach Genesis, Salaat and Gayatri at home if they must. The child will learn to sift out the chaff when she grows up. There will be lesser and lesser Mike Bickle and Billy Grahams and Ayatollah Khomeini's in the coming generations.
Allow no public display of religious devotion, wearing of religious (though not cultural) identity symbols or open worship. Close not just the Madrasas, but all religious and missionary schools. One can always learn one's religion at home; there will be no stoppage of priests visiting their parishes so long as they don't travel through Sodom or Gomorrah to get there. Certainly prevent televised sermons and fake healing. For 1300 years the muezzin had been calling the faithful to prayers without a loudspeaker; he can still do it from now on. Did Jesus use a bell? No. Is there a mention of bells in God's temples or tabernacles in the Bible? No. The only bells mentioned in the Bible are tiny ones to be worn by Aaron the priest when he enters the 'Holy Place" and they couldn't have made much shrill and annoying noise. So keep the church bells un-rung, or at least muted. This should also apply to the bells of the huge ostentatious Hindu temples that dot not only Asia, but also Europe and British Island in every town.

There might be a hue and cry if you discriminate between religions; here treatment is equal and equitable. Soon enough the Christian will find peace in not having to watch a horde of Muslims displaying their backsides to the street, and Muslims will be happy in not hearing the temple chants and church bells. China is doing it – if only they had not given a special status to Uighur-majority Xinjiang Province, they would have had absolute social peace. I have not heard of any Chinese, even an Uighur, rushing to join the Islamic State.

Answer to Islamic extremism is not counter-extremism. Americans can bomb a few religious goons along with a lot many innocent civilians (not to forget women children, babies in the womb and cattle as desired by God), but they cannot bomb and destroy a mind-set. A lot many Muslims - not just the Islamists - feel that they have had a bad deal since the end of the first world war and Britain cut up the old Islamic world (much of it part of a Caliphate) like an ill-fitting jigsaw puzzle. The west has not shed the feeling that the starving (mostly made starving by their own avarice) 'developed nations' need to be looked down upon. Hindus think it is time for them to avenge the atrocities done to them by Muslims, conveniently forgetting the greater and more recent atrocities done by the West. Israelis believe that they have a right to the place that is historically theirs; Palestinians believe that Jews were never in the place except as a minority; and that they need to get back the place - at least a part of it. Pakistanis want to annex Indian side of Kashmir; many Kashmiris want to be independent and free of the eternal squabble; Muslims feel Kashmir should be with Pakistan because it has a Muslim majority – thereby (a few, fortunately) Hindus get the idea that India must declare itself a Hindu nation and render their own Muslim and Christian citizens second-class.

You churn all these grotesque ideologies together; you find that destroying the physical body of Islamic state (if you could) would not end the human suffering and death that began with Cane killing his brother and God promising punishment only on those who would accuse Cane of the crime. Hatred of Jews (much as hatred of the Blacks, Asians and Hispanics) is rampant in the US and Europe; part of the support for Israel arises from the desire to keep Jews out of their parts of the world. Daniel Pipes supported Christian-evangelist Ted Cruz while the latter was still in the running, but Pastor Mike Bickle endorsed Ted Cruz in the hope that the latter will drive away Jews from the US! (The merciful Lord will show no mercy to his own tribe). Cruz defended the Pastor for some time till the opposition became unbearable. You hear of a clamour in the United States – a nation that grew fast and strong through free flow of immigrants and beliefs and boasts of maximum Nobel prizes on account of the immigrant Jews and people of all faiths and denomination - to make it a Christian nation, and to dump the First Amendment that set an example to the rest of the civilized nations, while also wanting to strengthen the second amendment that would give every white a chance to take a shot at another white, black, Asian or whoever.

Religion begets hate. Racial or tribal hatred that leads to war is just the other side of the same coin. So discourage show-casing one's religion. Instead ask the clerics to de-indoctrinate the indoctrinated and the would-be indoctrinated about the peaceful side of Islam (just as there could be a peaceful side to Christianity, Judaism or other religions) with greater enthusiasm and sincerity so that while the government is prying into everybody's conversations and actions and shopping carts, there is a simultaneous attempt to create a situation that could do away with the big brother's 24X7 watch sooner than later.

Islamists just happen to be a newer and different (not necessarily harsher) version of Crusades (which they quote often enough). Luckily, though Islamist's Allah is the greatest, he has very few jet planes and drones. The advantage of it is that they will never win; disadvantage being that this bloodletting could go on and on.

Sorry to end with that note.

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2Sayyid el-Qimni and the words Jihad and Islamophobia [112 words]dhimmi no moreJun 13, 2016 18:12229982
4The amazing Sayyid el-Qimni [272 words]dhimmi no moreJun 11, 2016 07:36229937
2"Qur'an is a historical text, not perfect for all times and all places" [109 words]AVJun 27, 2016 00:29229937
Qu'ran is a text defined by abrogation to be used as convenience suits ... [176 words]kmanJul 21, 2016 17:24229937
2Secularists in Egypt [97 words]dhimmi no moreJun 5, 2016 10:25229834
1Allah, the Compassionate, the Merciful [634 words]Michael SJun 7, 2016 15:53229834
1al-Bukhari and lice! [121 words]dhimmi no moreJun 9, 2016 06:52229834
The knife is ready... [242 words]Michael SJun 11, 2016 22:04229834
Get Serious About Identifying Competent Identifiers [177 words]DaveMay 28, 2016 18:42229711
French lives matter [96 words]JeffMay 27, 2016 10:53229698
The French have generally been good friends to the US [136 words]Michael SMay 31, 2016 14:53229698
Agreed [115 words]JeffJun 2, 2016 22:14229698
Western friends [211 words]Michael SJun 7, 2016 07:22229698
Identifying Islamists - an unworkable proposition! [334 words]
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Rich McMahonMay 25, 2016 12:24229661
2how do we assess Islamic deception and dissimulation ? [141 words]Paul ChristopherJun 14, 2016 05:16229661
overdue article;subject on American safety;lives [55 words]Don MarshMay 25, 2016 10:43229658
overdue article;subject on American safety;lives [55 words]Don MarshMay 25, 2016 10:42229657
2المتأسلمين al-Muta'slmeen instead of الاسلاميون or al-Islamiyuun [106 words]
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dhimmi no moreMay 24, 2016 18:23229644
Early sign for identifying Islamists [16 words]ArnieMay 24, 2016 11:33229643
2Finally Getting Serious....... [89 words]martybetteMay 24, 2016 09:44229641
1THERE'S NO MONEY IN SOLUTIONS! [153 words]UNCLE VLADDIMay 26, 2016 17:05229641
Getting Serious about Identifying Islamists [1819 words]Vishu MenonMay 24, 2016 06:59229639
1Why fear the Muslims? These typical American kids will put a chill up your spine. [147 words]
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Michael SMay 24, 2016 06:02229637
Would Bill Ayers be vetted? [75 words]Michael SMay 26, 2016 14:51229637
More Draconian Than Trump [124 words]
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BillMay 23, 2016 22:41229631
Screening for terrorists. [43 words]donMay 23, 2016 22:24229630
2HOW TO DETECT "ISLAMISTS"101: [53 words]UNCLE VLADDIMay 23, 2016 21:15229628
5How to recognize an Islamist? [70 words]PrashantJun 2, 2016 02:05229628
2WHY DO LEFTISTS ENDORSE ISLAM? [559 words]UNCLE VLADDIJun 2, 2016 16:51229628
1Not serious [20 words]MarkMay 23, 2016 20:09229621

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