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al-nasikh wa al-masnukh and the Muslim Rabbis

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Submitted by dhimmi no more (United States), Aug 14, 2012 at 08:02

Doug wrote

Dhimmi no more, you are correct in your assertion of the shaping of Islam as we know it today. This is one of the two theories being put out to explain modern Islam, and at this period was also when the system of Abrogation was introduced.

The doctrine of abrogation or al-nasikh wa al-mansukh or الناسخ والمنسوخ must have developed by no other than the Muslim Rabbis as it indeed seems to have their finger prints so follow me as I suspect that this is indeed what really happened

1. The starting point was that the Muslim Rabbis brought with them the Biblical prescription of the stoning for having extra-marital sex when the Quranic prescrition is whipping and not stoning

2. In other words those Muslim Rabbis had to find a way out and replace اية الجلد or the whipping verse for اية الرجم or the stoning verse and to find a way out to explain why such verse did not make it to the Qur'an and they indeed found the way out in Q2:106 and the word ننسها or nansaha or we forget it/ defer it and this verse is the foundation of the doctrine of abrogation

3. To add insult to injury the word نسخ or naskh has no clear meaning so the Muslim rabbis must have looked into what their previous religion tells them about this theological disaster and indeed they found the concept of naql or نقل and indeed as was pointed out by Wansbrough in Judeo-Arabic the word naskh is translated into Hebrew not as batul which would be the Hebrew equivalent of naskh but as the Hebrew word 'ataq which in Arabic is naql or transfer and now we have a solution for this diaster

Typical rabbinical debates

4. et voila the finger prints of the Muslim Rabbis are all over the Islamic doctrine of al-nasikh wa al-mansukh and it could not have developed except among Muslim rabbis that brough their old religion to what was to become islam

Stay tuned for more about al-naskh and ayat al-sayf or the sword verse

But what does this have to do with the fact that my point is that Islam was made up by no other that Rabbis and Mobeds in Mesopotamia and Muhammad's rules must have been marginal at best

Due to the lack of chronology in the Koran, the Hadith was used extensively to quantify the suras, a guessing game at this point. The other prevailing theory is that AbuBakar wrote the Koran in his image, he wasn't called AbuBakar "The butcher" for nothing.

Well before you start the history of the collection of the Qur'an and if Abu Bakr did or did not exit must be the most confusing story in the history of Islam so i will leave this to another post

The analogy to Genghis Khan was in the capability of uniting diverse tribes, not as historical or religious figure.

Well the truth is you might be putting the cart before the horse now you explain to me how can let us say 4000 Arabs that were the force that invaded Egypt as we are told by the Islamic sources were able to capture Egypt from the mighty army of the Byzantines or how could a few Arabs invade and defeat the mighty Persian army? there is something missing here in the history of early islam and for this stay tuned

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