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Reader comment on item: L'Institut d'Égypte – In Memoriam
in response to reader comment: Another square peg in a round hole Debanjee?
Submitted by Debanjan Banerjee (India), Feb 27, 2012 at 23:22
Hall : The burka represents oppression to most western societies.
My Answer : Strange suggestion. If I am correct I believe that there is also a concept of freedom of expression in the West. But then again as I come to know there are limits to the freedom of expression in the West depending upon the regime in power. Now remember in Germany the Nazi Uniform is banned only because there is a regime in place in Germany which does consider Nazi uniform as a sign of oppression So if say a neo-Nazi regime comes into power in Germany and they decide to lift the ban on the Nazi uniform , so everything will be fine with the Nazi uniform right ?
Before Mr. Sarkozy came into power in France , Burkhas were not banned so at that time they were not considered as signs of oppression right ? So how that only within last 5-6 years of Sarkozy reign , Burkhas became the symbols of oppression ? Can you please explain ?
Hall : In Saudi Arabia there are laws prohibiting Muslim women from marrying non Muslims, and stopping women from driving.
My Answer : I am well aware of those laws in Saudi Arabia. Yet that same house of Saud is the biggest ally of the West in the region. Remember every single US president since FDR , bowing and kissing the hands of the Saudi monarchs ? Remember UK PM-s including Blair and Cameron taking hefty commissions for selling big arms packages to that same House of Saud ? Is it not strange that the country whom you so-called defenders of Western freedom always like to bash , also you find yourself in bed with most of the times ? To every rational person in the World that represents hypocracy and double-standards.
At the same time in Iran more women goes to Universities than men yet it is the same country which has been under constant threats of sanctions and invasions throughout the last 60 years from the West. Strange is not it ? The most progressive nation in the region lies under sanctions , assasinations and threat of military actions while one of the most oppressive regimes in the region lies in bed with the West , and the West doing every trick in the book of Kamasutra to please her House of Saud partners.
Hall : It is a common trait amongst failures who look for someone to blame for why they are a failure.
My Answer : I agree with you on this. By extending your logic let us have a look at the problems the West finds itself with now. The biggest problem that France has been facing for the last decade has been massive unemployment , economic debt burden and economic inequality. All these can be attributed to the greed of the very few who happen to be rich and powerful in that country. Now tell me is Burkha responsible for these present ills of France ? No it is not. So why do you not blame the French for the same accusation that you are labelling against me ?
Hall : You not being from a developed country do not have the understanding of what oppression of women is, because being a Muslim male from the 3rd world you are probably an oppressor of women.
My Answer : I understand I am not a citizen of any so-called "developed country" like your beloved USA or Australia. Now the most basic unit of the progress of humanity i.e. the family is in the danger of on the verge of collapse in your beloved USA.(Reference : http://www.nytimes.com/2012/02/18/us/for-women-under-30-most-births-occur-outside-marriage.html?pagewanted=all ) Now fortunately we in this developing country of ours fortunately still do not have this same thing. So tell me what does the phenomenon of the upsurge in single mothers represent to the Western civilization ? Progress ? Development ? I consider it oppression over women. The makers of norms and cultures in the West never have had the benefit of women in mind when they encouraged her to give up marriage. They wanted her as clerks and personal secretaries thereby turning her as an object of exploitation. In the West , the woman is an object for exploitation. That NYtimes article supports my viewpoint here. I believe Islam at least provides these hapless and oppressed single and lonely mothers in the West a very important and needed route . Family and protection , period.
Coming back to the developed Western civilization of yours , I ask you why the most important man ever to contribute to the cause of progress and humanity and to be born on Australian soil i.e. Julian Assange can never set his foot upon Australian soil , his land of birth ? What kind of progress and civilization does this represent on the part of the West ?
I await eagerly for your answers.
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| 1 | Destruction of historical artifacts [77 words] | jean | Feb 19, 2012 02:19 | 193485 | |
| Muslims not capable of "hate" [412 words] | Dan B. | Feb 8, 2012 16:30 | 193217 | ||
| Are today's egyptians a civilization? [142 words] | Walber | Jan 23, 2012 05:21 | 192743 | ||
| 3 | Upsetting but not surprising [68 words] | sara | Jan 13, 2012 18:05 | 192569 | |
| 1 | Just to clarify [25 words] | Bernard Zimmerman | Jan 6, 2012 20:10 | 192350 | |
| 6 | Why would a mob destroy a thing of beauty? [283 words] | Prashant | Dec 29, 2011 05:06 | 192124 | |
| 2 | Deliberate Defilement [80 words] | Garry Lockwood | Jan 3, 2012 01:27 | 192124 | |
D. B. [75 words] | The West becoming Islam's fire hydrant | Feb 8, 2012 16:59 | 192124 | ||
| 4 | Does this signal a shift in self perception of Egyptian identity? [566 words] | Shishir | Dec 28, 2011 04:41 | 192089 | |
| 1 | My response to Shishir [344 words] | Debanjan Banerjee | Jan 7, 2012 22:11 | 192089 | |
| 3 | Response to dhimmi/Islamist apologist Debanjan [738 words] | Shishir | Jan 9, 2012 05:57 | 192089 | |
| 1 | Dear Shishir [695 words] | Debanjan Banerjee | Jan 11, 2012 02:26 | 192089 | |
| 3 | Nile to Euphrates Israel,Mossadegh is an Arab,Islam unites Arabs and other nuggets of wisdom from Debanjan [574 words] | Shishir | Jan 12, 2012 09:39 | 192089 | |
Dear Mr. Shishir [1172 words] | Debanjan Banerjee | Jan 16, 2012 00:12 | 192089 | ||
More drivel from Debanjan [1357 words] | Shishir | Jan 19, 2012 12:54 | 192089 | ||
| 1 | Dear Mr. Shishir [1227 words] | Debanjan Banerjee | Jan 21, 2012 22:30 | 192089 | |
Debanjan claims he is the next Theodor Herzl [1847 words] | Shishir | Jan 29, 2012 13:19 | 192089 | ||
| 1 | My dear Shishir [849 words] | Debanjan Banerjee | Feb 2, 2012 02:48 | 192089 | |
| 3 | At it again Debanjee? [839 words] | Peter Hall | Feb 3, 2012 09:38 | 192089 | |
| 1 | My Answers to you. Mr. Hall [1205 words] | Debanjan Banerjee | Feb 21, 2012 23:03 | 192089 | |
| 3 | Debanjee, you are hilarious [925 words] | Peter Hall | Feb 22, 2012 19:25 | 192089 | |
Banning burkhas in publicc is justified [47 words] | Prashant | Feb 24, 2012 09:09 | 192089 | ||
Dear MR. Prashant [106 words] | Debanjan Banerjee | Feb 24, 2012 22:19 | 192089 | ||
| 1 | Another square peg in a round hole Debanjee? [341 words] | Peter Hall | Feb 26, 2012 08:25 | 192089 | |
Banerjee won't understand and switch the topic [135 words] | Prashant | Feb 26, 2012 10:16 | 192089 | ||
| 1 | Debanjan Banerjee | Feb 27, 2012 23:22 | 192089 | ||
| 5 | The Core for Burning is in First pillar of Islam [75 words] | Michael Hanni Morcos | Dec 27, 2011 21:39 | 192081 | |
| Erase and Control [113 words] | Jay1 | Dec 27, 2011 19:59 | 192078 | ||
| 2 | Very very Proud [108 words] | Michael Hanni Morcos | Dec 27, 2011 17:18 | 192075 | |
Where can the interview be viewed? [53 words] | Shishir | Dec 28, 2011 07:14 | 192075 | ||
| 2 | Very very Rusty [94 words] | Michael Hanni Morcos | Dec 29, 2011 00:03 | 192075 | |
| 1 | Burn the library! [43 words] | Martin H. Katchen | Dec 27, 2011 12:10 | 192073 | |
| 1 | Assaulting History [43 words] | Georga Collins | Dec 27, 2011 11:13 | 192071 | |
| 4 | Who controls the past controls the future. [99 words] | Ianus | Dec 28, 2011 14:53 | 192071 | |
But it did pose a threat. [67 words] | Jeff | Dec 31, 2011 14:50 | 192071 | ||
| 2 | French government does not learn! [62 words] | Gudrun Eussner | Dec 27, 2011 10:34 | 192068 | |
| 5 | The destruction of the Egyptian historical record [135 words] | Saul Kelly | Dec 27, 2011 09:51 | 192067 | |
| 1 | islamic stagnation [56 words] | steve omara | Feb 2, 2012 23:09 | 192067 | |
| 2 | Return of "looted arts" to their countries of origin [208 words] w/response from Daniel Pipes | Ronald ng | Dec 27, 2011 02:32 | 192061 | |
| 3 | What to loan Egypt. [17 words] | Jon, a Brit in Euroland | Dec 28, 2011 10:15 | 192061 | |
| 2 | Mo vs. Mao [184 words] | Ianus | Dec 28, 2011 15:18 | 192061 | |
| 1 | Interesting perspective [151 words] | Kepha Hor | Dec 28, 2011 20:48 | 192061 | |
Destructions of Works of Art [157 words] | Ronald Ng | Dec 28, 2011 22:36 | 192061 | ||
| 1 | You are right [139 words] | Ronald Ng | Dec 29, 2011 20:30 | 192061 | |
| 3 | You're too dogmatic about dogmas , I am afraid. [855 words] | Ianus | Dec 30, 2011 15:37 | 192061 | |
| 13 | The Parthenon Mosque [533 words] | Ianus | Dec 30, 2011 18:03 | 192061 | |
| 2 | Not Always The Case [145 words] | BB King | Dec 30, 2011 21:13 | 192061 | |
Intolerance [303 words] | Ronald Ng | Dec 30, 2011 21:24 | 192061 | ||
Fighting Turkish Barbarity [138 words] | 7A3 | Jan 1, 2012 08:55 | 192061 | ||
| 6 | When burning a book fails, then maybe converting it to Islam will be worth trying ? [785 words] | Ianus | Jan 1, 2012 16:48 | 192061 | |
| 7 | Missing sense of proportions and time [1047 words] | Ianus | Jan 1, 2012 19:33 | 192061 | |
Putting things into perspective [283 words] | Ronald Paul Ng | Jan 1, 2012 21:28 | 192061 | ||
Still Not Always the Case [152 words] | BB King | Jan 1, 2012 22:59 | 192061 | ||
| 3 | Fighting Turkish barbarity [94 words] | Ianus | Jan 2, 2012 17:04 | 192061 | |
| 1 | The choices... [49 words] | Amin Riaz | Jan 3, 2012 21:22 | 192061 | |
| 5 | Good news from Saudi Arabia : In 500 years witches will no longer be hunted and executed there ! [1159 words] | Ianus | Jan 5, 2012 10:42 | 192061 | |
Dogma [216 words] | Ronald Ng | Jan 5, 2012 21:46 | 192061 | ||
| 8 | Aristotle vs. Allah [1502 words] | Ianus | Jan 6, 2012 10:16 | 192061 | |
| 3 | Not the Case Again [560 words] | BB King | Jan 7, 2012 00:39 | 192061 | |
| 8 | How many people did Mahommet kill? [873 words] | Ianus | Jan 7, 2012 14:27 | 192061 | |
| 3 | "He who is without sin among you, let him be the first to throw a stone at her." [1714 words] | Ianus | Jan 8, 2012 10:10 | 192061 | |
| 1 | So there is just one muslim voice... [53 words] | car313 | Jan 9, 2012 11:35 | 192061 | |
To Assume [5 words] | Amin Riaz | Jan 9, 2012 22:45 | 192061 | ||
Oh the Irony and Other Observations [444 words] | BB King | Jan 10, 2012 01:18 | 192061 | ||
Answering Your Question [255 words] | BB King | Jan 10, 2012 01:49 | 192061 | ||
| 5 | There is nothing hilarious or ironic in cultural nihilism which you represent . [1703 words] | Ianus | Jan 11, 2012 15:47 | 192061 | |
Changing the Goal Post [617 words] | BB King | Jan 11, 2012 19:10 | 192061 | ||
| 3 | Feel free to circumvent also these questions ! [2237 words] | Ianus | Jan 13, 2012 11:18 | 192061 | |
| 3 | Do not trust anybody ! Rely on your ignorance ! [1443 words] | Ianus | Jan 13, 2012 13:26 | 192061 | |
Historical Revisionism Part 1 [312 words] | BB King | Jan 13, 2012 19:26 | 192061 | ||
Cognitive Dissonance [168 words] | BB King | Jan 13, 2012 20:12 | 192061 | ||
| 4 | "Don't trust your eyes!Trust mine!" [614 words] | Ianus | Jan 15, 2012 15:34 | 192061 | |
| 1 | Cognitive harmony between not knowing and not realizing one's not knowing [642 words] | Ianus | Jan 15, 2012 17:19 | 192061 | |
| 2 | Historical Revisionism Part 2 [421 words] | BB King | Jan 15, 2012 17:33 | 192061 | |
| 3 | The mystery of "the unusual depth ... of Lincoln's Christian perception" [772 words] | Ianus | Jan 16, 2012 07:40 | 192061 | |
Historical Revisionism Part 3 [443 words] | BB King | Jan 16, 2012 21:10 | 192061 | ||
| 3 | The wasteland of whose imagination ? [1070 words] | Ianus | Jan 18, 2012 14:31 | 192061 | |
| 1 | I think you are onto something [168 words] | Peter Hall | Feb 3, 2012 09:50 | 192061 | |
| 1 | Did you hear about ... [181 words] | Amin Riaz | Feb 3, 2012 17:52 | 192061 | |
| 1 | Amin, you make a great victim [470 words] | Peter Hall | Feb 4, 2012 20:25 | 192061 | |
Just to add [237 words] | Peter Hall | Feb 4, 2012 20:53 | 192061 | ||
| 8 | Islam's Destruction of Everything Beautiful [134 words] | Robin | Dec 27, 2011 00:38 | 192059 | |
| 4 | You beat me to it, Robin [119 words] | DEBORAH THE JUDGE | Dec 27, 2011 23:30 | 192059 | |
Robin from Australia is right [83 words] | Ted | Dec 28, 2011 09:45 | 192059 | ||
| 6 | Copts are the true Egyptians [106 words] | Ianus | Dec 28, 2011 18:52 | 192059 | |
| 3 | Only the Koran worth knowing ... [116 words] | Robin | Dec 29, 2011 01:30 | 192059 | |
Copts [142 words] | DEBORAH THE JUDGE | Dec 29, 2011 20:15 | 192059 | ||
| 2 | It is always Relative to the Time [121 words] | Michael Hanni Morcos | Dec 31, 2011 12:59 | 192059 | |
You are right Deborah [125 words] | Debanjan Banerjee | Jan 7, 2012 22:01 | 192059 | ||
| L'Institut d' Égypte [41 words] w/response from Daniel Pipes | hans Guggenheim | Dec 27, 2011 00:34 | 192058 | ||
| 7 | "If those books are in agreement with the Quran, we have no need of them. And if they are opposed to the Quran, destroy them!" [517 words] | Ianus | Dec 28, 2011 13:35 | 192058 | |
Library of Alexandria [5343 words] | Mark Borowsky | Jan 25, 2020 13:31 | 192058 | ||
| 1 | Peace Treaty is ultimate target [18 words] | P Rose | Dec 26, 2011 23:41 | 192057 | |
What "peace" treaty [96 words] | Shishir | Dec 28, 2011 04:48 | 192057 | ||
| 4 | Cyprus [55 words] | Nikki | Dec 26, 2011 23:12 | 192056 | |
| 8 | Sibel Edmonds will best explain to you why Turkish barbarity has never been punished. [445 words] | Ianus | Dec 28, 2011 14:37 | 192056 | |
| 1 | Happy 2012 , Ianus [213 words] | Debanjan Banerjee | Jan 7, 2012 21:52 | 192056 | |
| 4 | No reason for a Moslem to complain [415 words] | Ianus | Jan 11, 2012 17:21 | 192056 | |
| 1 | Dear Mr. Ianus [420 words] | Debanjan Banerjee | Jan 15, 2012 23:16 | 192056 | |
| 9 | An easy way to Islamize Eastern Europe = Saudi bribes +US pressure+Turkish jihad [745 words] | Ianus | Jan 22, 2012 09:08 | 192056 | |
Dear Mr. Ianus [138 words] | Debanjan Banerjee | Jan 24, 2012 22:26 | 192056 | ||
| 3 | Cleptocracy [972 words] | Ianus | Jan 26, 2012 13:08 | 192056 | |
Dear Mr. Ianus I support you on this [371 words] | Debanjan Banerjee | Jan 31, 2012 12:03 | 192056 | ||
| 1 | Re: An easy way to Islamize Eastern Europe = Saudi bribes +US pressure+Turkish jihad [40 words] | Nik | Jul 29, 2012 20:14 | 192056 |