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Abu el-Fadl is really a professor at UCLA? This is really bizarre part deux

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Submitted by dhimmi no more (United States), Dec 26, 2010 at 10:34

This is really a scandal. It is just amazing that a so called "scholar" and teacher resorts to personal attacks but again this is very typical of islamists like him and this is what he said

>when Pipes wrote this in the 1990s, I actually recall, I was giving a lecture at Irvine and there were a few professors attending the lecture and when I read this quote—in conversation with two professors afterward, they were basically saying "You're exaggerating. No one takes Pipes seriously; he's insane. Your concern about a statement like this shows your own cultural anxieties about fitting in as an immigrant [from Egypt]," blah, blah, blah. At the time, I have to admit, I thought "Well, maybe they have a point." But the Pipes-type discourse … was reserved and more civil than the discourses after 9/11. 9/11 presents a watershed moment where remarkably it becomes open season.

And this is Dr. Pipes' reply

>Comment: How interesting that Abou El Fadl, even as he distorts my message and calls me names, belatedly and reluctantly appreciates my "reserved and more civil" position opposition to Islamism, as opposed to all of Islam. (December 24, 2010)

Dr. Pipes: You are being very kind

But what is most amazing about this lecture is that I really did not learn anything about al-shari3a al-islamiyya from the "inside" all I heard were no more than silly unscholarly rantings and diatribes

And what is he? Is he a historian? Is he a theologian? Or is he a lawyer? Or is he a hybrid of some sort?

I expected to hear from him about the origin of Islamic law, how did it come about, and why do we have several schools of Islamic law and is it derived from Roman or Provincial law in the late antique period? and why did al-ijtihad (read this as re-reading and improving) of islamic law came to a holt around the year 1100CE?

Did we get any answers?Not a single answer

And if he is a lawyer how can he except to teach a class in a subject (Islamic law) where the student must be able to read the primary sources in Arabic? How many law students have command of not just modern Arabic but middle Arabic? Let me guess: Not many.

And just imagine if the likes of the great Ignaz Goldziher (historian or early islam) is one of his students? I'm sure he will get an F for his work on Islamic law as he believed that it is derived from Roman law in the late antique period. Or imagine if Patricia Crone would be one of his students as she believes that local provincial law is really the source of Islamic law and this is indeed what Wansbrough wrote that what we have is in actual fact a legal corpus that was formed in a Judeo-Christian milieu or it is really the old Mesopotamian pre-Nicene Syrian and Arabian Christian law

Shame on UCLA for having this man as a teacher and so called scholar

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