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in response to reader comment: zaazzeefrazee has a point... to a point

Submitted by zzazzefrazzee (United States), Sep 27, 2006 at 22:34

Care to search google? Just type in "muslims against terrorism"

Daniel has commented that these folks are quite brave in the stark condemnation of terrorism:
www.freemuslims.org

There are in fact some sizable cheques going that--a-way, if you care to look.

Even so, some of my fellow american zealots need to beat up on these guys, depsite the fact that they couldn't make it any more unambiguous that they don't support terror. They are hardly the only ones.

Daniel was nice enough to feature Omran Salman, and a journalist with the AAFAQ news agency, based in Qatar

please take a look, but be warned, you need to study some Arabic first:

www.aafaq.org

Agan,be warned, they don;t always agree 100%, but heck, it's a start, ain't it?

These are very simple, easy things that you can do to find Muslims here in the US and abroad, who are against terror, against hate, against racist lies as perpetrated by religious absolutists.
All you have to do is bother to LOOK.

yet another

http://www.islamfortoday.com/terrorism.htm

Not exactly my personal cup of tea, but hey. Some fundamentalist Christians aren't exactly my cup of tea either. That said, I'm not sure if Daniel would support the above, of he would accuse them of "taqiyya"

(Note to Daniel, IF he actually reads this: Just who coined this new, and somewhat twisted definition for taqiyya, in reference to the very real problem of "double speak" in the Arabic and Islamic media? It refers to a historically Shia practice that most Wahabbis virulently condemn- at least a hell of a lot of literature from places like the Rabita state as much. Shouldn't we just call simply for what it is- "double-speak"?

http://www.taqiyya.com/1.html

Ma 'arifu tarjuma bil lughatil arabiyati, lakin yumkin nakalimu "kalimayn" aw "kalam fadi" aw "kalam Faaragh"hal hadha tarjuma 'aqedan aw la?? Lakin "at taqiyya" laysa tarjuma ahsan, alaysa kadhalik?

btw- I would type the above in Arabic, or even properly transliterated Arabic, but your site doesn't allow unicode input. Something to think about? please consider this and tell your web master- or do you wish to provide your information to simply a western, English speaking audience? Why not speak to Arabs, in Arabic, about the problems and make some CONSTRUCTIVE suggestions about what they could do to correct them? If you knwo Arabic, as you say you do, shoudln;t this be a relatively easy task? prhaps rather than be used to justify some fairly overt anger and hatred on the part of your average americans, why make your points to the audience you are most concerned with in these matters? now there's a thought!)

If just a smidgen of the energy spent on "analyzing" Muslims in every community across the country were instead put towards jump-starting the relevant language programs, we may actually get somewhere. I live in South Carolina, where Islamophobic hate is needles to say, EXCEEDINGLY strong, yet sadly the resources to study the relevant languages are among the poorest in the nation.

"Campus Watch" need not come here, why bother? There is nothing to watch. There is no mideast studies programs to get worked up about, and few "terrorist sympathizers". Yet we are one of the top states supporting the war on terror. Why can't we initiate the programs to provide the badly needed and sorely lacking tools to win the war?

All we have is one piddly year of Arabic taught at, I beleive Four univeristies, USC Columbia, Furman, the Citadel, and Colege of Charleston. I think it is also safe to say that many students don't pass the first semester. Forget Farsi, Urdu, Pashto, and Turkish, or any other dailect. Well, Swahili is probably taught, but it is hardly deemed an Islamic langauge, though I understand it was once written in Arabic script.

I was fortunate able to study Arabic, learn more from a tutor, and then was lucky to get a Turkish tutor to leanr that language, cemeneted by visits to taht VERY secular and comparitively progressive country.

Farsi studies are possible with books, tapes, and CDS, and also

www.easypersian.com

Maybe in doing so, many would find that they would familiarize themselves with a SIGNIFICANT segment of America that is NOT supportive of the Irahabiyeen and their philosophy. They fled Khomeini (rememeber him?) and passionaltely hate Ahmedinejad too. Most expats from Iran FANATICALLY LOATHE the "Jumhurriya-i Islamiya-i Iran", as well as Salafiyeen, Wahhaabiyeen, and most of all, the Irhabiyeen.

Here's a station- ( you must know some farsi to appreciate it)

www.rangarangtv.com

By the way, irhabi means "terrorist" in Arabic, and it is the corect term to use for such people that engage in acts of terror. Using "jihadi" in reference to them only helps validate their actions, from an Islamic perspective. Most Muslims in fact, deem that they are hardly such. Hence the usage of the term Irhabi by some in the Arab and Islamic media today. At least let's consider it?

that said, admittedly not all use it, some glorify it, and not enough are brave to stand against, oh, goverment censorship, much less face the angry illterates forming a mob outside their door, incited by an agry preacher breathing fire down the street.

But hey, my point is, let's ENCOURAGE more muslims do adopt such a tone, rather than put "them" down collectively. Why do I even need ot make this point? Could it be that some of my fellow Americans prefer to keep our head in the sand? Or perhaps it is somewhere else "that the sun don't shine?" Does the Bible stand up to similar scrutiny that many are fond of putting the Qur'an under? Now there;s something to think about! The laws in Leviticus are pretty clear to me....

Democracy was born of a bunch of Pagan Greek bisexuals, but who in America cares about "THEM" either!

zzazzeefrazzee


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Daniel Pipes replies:

I don't think I have ever accused anyone of taqiya. It is a specific and technical term, applicable to religion, not politics; and to Shi`is, not Sunnis. See http://www.danielpipes.org/search/?searchtext=taqiya&submit=1.

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Islamonazi [15 words]terrorfreeSep 28, 2006 11:2958056
Moderate funding? [81 words]Abu NudnikSep 25, 2006 09:4257443
Questions. [112 words]EverymanSep 25, 2006 02:1657397
Great that you feature Omran, but you could still do a WHOLE LOT MORE!!! [421 words]zaazzeefrazeeSep 22, 2006 20:5157092
zaazzeefrazee has a point... to a point [562 words]J.J. SurbeckSep 25, 2006 02:0857092
Muslims who hate vitriolic hatred, that spews like a furnace. [971 words]
w/response from Daniel Pipes
zzazzefrazzeeSep 27, 2006 22:3457092
Absolutely right [450 words]BrianSep 20, 2006 18:5756709
Great web site... [153 words]Adolfo CostaSep 16, 2006 10:2856160
Failure of 'Moderate' Muslim organizations [98 words]Ezra Ben-MeirSep 16, 2006 04:3656133
Are all muslims cursed? Or do we make ourselves cursed with hatred? [1038 words]zzazzeefrazzeeSep 27, 2006 23:2456133
Media, terrorists, moderates and what makes a difference [202 words]ezra Ben-MeirSep 29, 2006 03:5356133
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Not an American muslim [11 words]mysterious tSep 12, 2006 19:3055754
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