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Yes, Nationalism Takes Many Forms

Reader comment on item: Europe's Civilizationist Parties
in response to reader comment: Patriotic Nationalism vs. the Uncivilized

Submitted by Dave (United States), Oct 20, 2018 at 20:15

Thanks, Robert. You addressed this issue in a way that I think is very necessary. Rather than assume that there is a dichotomy between patriotism and nationalism, one may instead consider that nationalism subsumes both noble sentiments regarding the nation-state, such as patriotic sacrifice and the endeavor to improve the lives of all the citizens living within secure borders, as well as jingoism and xenophobia. Nationalism is sort of like fire: It can heat your house and cook your food, but it can also burn down Chicago.

The choice of many Jews to seek protection and fulfillment in their own nation-state meant that there was an historical switch from seeking salvation in universal ideologies like socialism, to Zionism, a form of nationalism. That has meant a shift in traditional Jewish alliances away from the Left and towards fellow nationalists who are usually on the Right. Sure, nationalism as a form of power inevitably brings some abuses, but it's not like the Communists were any kind of angels.


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Title Commenter Date Thread
Europe's Islamization -- any alternative? [162 words]Jeffrey SheffDec 7, 2018 13:48246424
Jeffrey Sheff's legitimate question [786 words]PrashantDec 9, 2018 13:10246424
Nice analysis [127 words]
w/response from Daniel Pipes
M.L.LipsonNov 10, 2018 15:13245912
2A fourth point wrt [336 words]PrashantNov 14, 2018 00:09245912
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2Theory vs the Real World [262 words]Sigmund DermanNov 2, 2018 14:04245772
Refreshing Observations [233 words]Al RodbellNov 6, 2018 20:37245772
Nationalist [24 words]Jan BlachaOct 31, 2018 21:46245755
Re: Nationalist [32 words]Globe ThrotterNov 9, 2018 15:02245755
Nationalism [21 words]John BlachaNov 9, 2018 17:04245755
Europa camina hacia la perdiciĆ³n... [75 words]alfonsoOct 31, 2018 15:52245751
1Nationalist, not civilizationist [125 words]G. LobeOct 25, 2018 16:01245698
1Regarding bloodlines [188 words]AnonOct 19, 2018 11:34245578
Hinge of History [181 words]JD WillOct 19, 2018 11:19245576
2What Needs Protecting And Why [237 words]DaveOct 18, 2018 21:10245557
1Patriotic Nationalism vs. the Uncivilized [184 words]RobertOct 19, 2018 00:43245557
1Yes, Nationalism Takes Many Forms [167 words]DaveOct 20, 2018 20:15245557
2Dialectics of Nationalism [275 words]RobertOct 22, 2018 16:16245557
2How Virtue Becomes a Vice [63 words]DaveOct 24, 2018 09:19245557
I guess culturalism has a point... [243 words]Peter HerzNov 3, 2018 23:24245557

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