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Our dear Barbaric Pagan: The fate of the Qur'an at the hands of Othman v The fate the Nag Hammadi Library

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Submitted by dhimmi no more (United States), Aug 28, 2018 at 16:53

Well, this is beyond our dear Barbaric Pagan

For the readers: Compare the fate of the Qur'an at the hands of Othman who burned, yes burned, copies of the Qur'an that he did not accept and let us not forget the disaster of the goat that ate the Qur'an or the missing verses from Surat al-Ahzab where we are told that it was as long as Surat al-Baqara! What a disaster the Qur'an is a corrupted book. However, did Muslims care about filling in the gaps missing from the Quranic text thanks to the goat that ate the text and Othman who burned it? May the Gods forbid And what happened to the verses missing from Surat al-Ahzab? Any guesses our dear BP?

Compare this with the Nag Hammadi Library from Egypt that included the likes of the Gnostic Gospel of Thomas and many other texts including works by Plato. Athanathius of Alexandria wanted to get rid of these texts (not unlike Othman) because he regarded these texts as apocryphal (not unlike the Ahadith rejected by al-Bukhari). The monks did not agree that books can be destroyed or burned and the books were saved. Again it was Christians that saved the literary works from the late antique and Helenized world that was to be destroyed by Islam

The Western civilization owes it to Christians for preserving the historical texts of their civilization and in this case the Gnostic and Neoplatonist texts

So you tell us our dear BP are you a Muslim who is practicing Taqiyya or are you really, and you must pardon me ignorant?


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Fair play [36 words]abimanu mathoorasingSep 13, 2018 01:31244840
Christian foundations [109 words]Barbaric PaganAug 25, 2018 15:59244404
2Our dear Barbaric Pagan and his/her history lesson for today! [692 words]dhimmi no moreAug 28, 2018 07:34244404
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Our dear Barbaric Pagan and the penultimate? [215 words]dhimmi no moreAug 30, 2018 11:35244404
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2Christian Foundations? [80 words]
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JudiAug 14, 2018 11:23244225
I would argue that many didn't willingly assist in the genocide. [134 words]Anon.Aug 14, 2018 15:40244225
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1Judeo-Christian is an oxymoron [127 words]Raul MarksAug 15, 2018 20:38244225
1You forget that Christianity regards the old testament as sacred [66 words]Anon.Aug 17, 2018 00:26244225
Christian views of Old Testament [138 words]Raul MarksAug 17, 2018 18:33244225
Syro-Arabic Christianity is most likely the source of Islam [550 words]dhimmi no moreAug 18, 2018 16:41244225
Raul Marks: You need to stop reading Da'wa literature! [516 words]dhimmi no moreAug 20, 2018 15:58244225
Pigs wine and Islam [192 words]dhimmi no moreAug 20, 2018 17:01244225
Our dear Raul: Hello: "Judeo-Islamic" is an oxymoron! [461 words]dhimmi no moreAug 21, 2018 06:52244225
Failure to Discern Christian Truth. [88 words]M ToveyAug 21, 2018 17:04244225
Dhimmi, you're mistaken [212 words]Raul MarksAug 21, 2018 21:44244225
Our dear Raul is not aware that Maimonides were not impressed with Muhammad! I wonder why [897 words]dhimmi no moreAug 22, 2018 20:10244225
Our dear Raul is not aware that Maimonides was not impressed with Muhammad! I wonder why part 2 [227 words]dhimmi no moreAug 23, 2018 06:23244225
Our dear Raul and more evidence from the Qur'an that the word احد or Ahad means ONE OF not one! So who are the other Allahs in 112:1? [130 words]dhimmi no moreAug 23, 2018 17:16244225
Our dear Raul is not aware that the Qur'an says that Christians are monotheists! [297 words]dhimmi no moreAug 25, 2018 06:14244225
M Tovey: Our dear Raul is another Muslim practicing Taqiyya [19 words]dhimmi no moreAug 25, 2018 07:49244225
More evidence that the word Ahad means: One of, and does not mean One? [181 words]dhimmi no moreAug 25, 2018 08:09244225
Notes for Dhimmi [147 words]Raul MarksAug 31, 2018 13:36244225
Our dear Raul and is he practicing Taqiyya? [325 words]dhimmi no moreAug 31, 2018 16:28244225
Our dear Raul's lesson for today? The word Taqiyya [110 words]dhimmi no moreAug 31, 2018 17:59244225
al-Taqiyya and our dear Raul who is "not a Muslim"! More disasters [450 words]dhimmi no moreSep 1, 2018 07:05244225
Our dear Raul is not aware that Muhammad told his followers to practice al-Taqiyya! [168 words]dhimmi no moreSep 1, 2018 08:27244225
Our dear Raul who is "not a Muslim" is not aware that the Qur'an says Islam is not a monotheistic religion! [414 words]dhimmi no moreSep 2, 2018 07:55244225
More questions for our dear Raul who is "not a Muslim" [87 words]dhimmi no moreSep 4, 2018 06:56244225
Our dear Raul is not feeling well: How about camels urine? [61 words]dhimmi no moreSep 4, 2018 10:14244225
Jews agree that Judaism is closer to Islam than Christianity [150 words]Raul MarksSep 16, 2018 18:34244225
Our dear Raul who is "not a Muslim" is not aware that I'm in good company [398 words]dhimmi no moreSep 17, 2018 17:31244225
More Islamic comedy from our dear Raul! [125 words]dhimmi no moreSep 17, 2018 17:50244225
Islam and the vile hate of Jews! Our dear Raul has no clue [388 words]dhimmi no moreSep 17, 2018 18:35244225
1Our dear Raul and the Taqiyya goes on and on! Oh and Allah recites the Shahada! What a disaster! [167 words]dhimmi no moreSep 18, 2018 06:55244225
Our dear Raul has no clue about the difference between a جمع و مفرد This does not stop him from pontificating about Arabic [303 words]dhimmi no moreSep 18, 2018 07:32244225
1Our dear Raul earned his صلى الله عليه وسلم ! [285 words]dhimmi no moreSep 19, 2018 07:57244225
More Questions for our dear Raul! [114 words]dhimmi no moreSep 23, 2018 07:10244225
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3A Couple of Questions [75 words]
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