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Constantinople was Never Meant to be the Center of the Church - neither is Babylon nor Rome

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Submitted by M. Tovey (United States), Jun 9, 2017 at 11:40

Ahhh, therein lays the conundrum; does the rebellious form of faux Christianity that emerged even as John wrote the Patmos visions completely erase the underlying truth of what following Jesus Christ requires as the ages of antiquity record the Devil's false message of how bad being Christian is to the world? If being an historian compels to look patronizingly at the real message of the Gospel and comes to a conclusion something must be wrong with Christianity, is it the Jesus' message; or do we look at Who Jesus really is and realize instead that the world will always be delusional and the only escape is to recognize that what Jesus started will historically be contradicted by an anti-messenger to defame followers of the truth of Christ. To that point, the true followers who know the real message that is proclaimed through the Gospel have always been in the minority, even in modern America.

To start with the statement that "(m)ost Byzantine Christians were devout believers in "what Jesus taught"" is not necessarily true (notice above, a minority presence of true believers); for if they, along with the split off "western Christianesque" group of believers were all that into the devotions of belief as many try to assert, then the 'universal' church would have remained intact and not followed the deceptions that brokered the divisiveness that remains to this day. The Muslims were only able to do what they did because the pervasive faithlessness of that time made most of the Christian testimony of the times powerless to stop the Islamic tide, long before there was a Mohammed.

Fast forward to the Spanish invasion (indeed, most of the colonization of the western hemisphere was somehow connected to the subverted 'western Romanization' of world culture) was for reasons of empire, not a manifestation of faith to bring the Gospel to the ends of the earth. In that second part of the Gospel message we find the true message was there all along, but never promoted by a world philosophical antithesis against the Gospel. Only when the American government was formed with its influences of free religious expression did the Gospel message get the breathing room to spread to the ends of the earth, in spite of all the denominational obstacles found in world institutional religious organizations. In a final observance, knowable evidence in the mortal realm does not reveal all that much when compared with a knowledge that not all that the world sees is all that is consciously known.

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Title Commenter Date Thread
Some extensive syncretistic empires are commendable [22 words]Wallace LiechtyJan 4, 2018 19:52241763
No Christians in America [75 words]spaJun 21, 2017 23:46239681
An Islamist Advising an Art Museum... [9 words]DaveJun 12, 2017 05:12239561
The Sacrilege of the Hagia Sophia [164 words]M ToveyJun 1, 2017 15:00239414
The Sacrilege of the Hagia Sophia [164 words]M ToveyJun 1, 2017 14:59239413
Most of the conquered fervently Chrisian [353 words]HistorianJun 5, 2017 18:51239413
Constantinople was Never Meant to be the Center of the Church - neither is Babylon nor Rome [419 words]M. ToveyJun 9, 2017 11:40239413
An Islamist Advising an Art Museum... [9 words]DaveMay 30, 2017 18:29239394
Islamists Running a Museum Problematic [90 words]DaveMay 30, 2017 15:39239393
MANY THANKS [70 words]BASIL BAKLISMay 30, 2017 08:59239391
Name of Museum [51 words]Richard Sadove MDMay 30, 2017 08:27239390
1Lessons of history: Do not listen to pacififists, self-haters, Islamophiles or the chronically naive [157 words]DeanMay 30, 2017 06:11239389
Psalm 79:1-2 [48 words]Malcolm SmithMay 30, 2017 02:56239387
3no shame [86 words]NuritGMay 29, 2017 22:29239383
1European and Islamic colonists [110 words]
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PrashantMay 30, 2017 22:29239383
5Islamic invaders learned from each other --Constantinople 1453 and Delhi 1398-- [457 words]PrashantMay 29, 2017 19:09239381
2Florida Museum Celebrates the Loss of Hagia Sophia [87 words]Judith DaviesMay 29, 2017 17:47239379
3The least we can do is expose Islamic hypocrisy. [80 words]PrashantMay 30, 2017 22:36239379
1Istanbus is Constantinople [97 words]steven bowmanMay 29, 2017 16:49239375
Hagia Sophia [33 words]SteveMay 29, 2017 16:19239374
6Turning the cultural tables [155 words]Ryan EwaldMay 29, 2017 12:54239372

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