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Submitted by Michael S, May 8, 2017 at 02:32

Hi, dhimminomore

This isn't the first time that you and I have sparred over semantics, even though I elieve we are probably of the same heart on many things. Here's what the article you quoted says:

"For allies of Trump — aides, politicians and right-wing news sites — these are evidence of the existence of a "deep state," a secretive, COORDINATED network inside the government dedicated to undermining the administration."

I doubt the "coordinated" bit, because I was once part of a network that was called a conspiracy by the FBI. It was the Antiwar Movement during the early 1970s. My part in the "Movement", was being close friends with a handful of people who counseled GIs on filling out their Conscientious Objector applications, and also helped organize rallies, marches, etc. I was involved purely out of friendship: These people helped me get out of the Army, and I was grateful; so I helped in ways such as passing out leaflets, leading the chants in the marches, etc. I received no pay whatever, and they received a stipend from one of many national organizations interested in helping or using the Antiwar movement.

The people involved were from every (leftist) political stripe, and often engaged in splits and quarrels. My closest friends were a fellow whose father had served time for being associated with Communists during the McCarthy days, and a young woman whose husband had done time in Leavenworth for leading a sit-in "mutiny" at Presidio of San Francisco, in order to stop orders to go to Vietnam. Others were lone wolf Trotskyites, utopian Jewish lawyers, etc. The "Movement" was not an organization at all; but those in it had one thing in common: When Nixon ended the draft, and most of those in it no longer had a personal reason to continue in it, "The Movement" instantly evaporated.

It's hard for me to fathom a coordinated "movement" of comfortable bureaucrats in Washington, DC. I have never been part of that culture, so I can't speak for them. All I can do, looking at this as a complete outsider, is judge the individuals by personal motives. I had been motivated by wanting to get out of the Army, mainly to please my girlfriend whom I wanted to marry. That's a pretty human emotion. Someone like Jared Kushner, though, is something of a monster: He seems to be motivated by personal ambition and greed for money and power. I have described him as the "Antichrist", who actually isn't called that in the Bible: He is called "the beast":

Rev.13
[1] And I stood upon the sand of the sea, and saw a beast rise up out of the sea, having seven heads and ten horns, and upon his horns ten crowns, and upon his heads the name of blasphemy.
[2] And the beast which I saw was like unto a leopard, and his feet were as the feet of a bear, and his mouth as the mouth of a lion: and the dragon gave him his power, and his seat, and great authority.

Kushner is probably the beast "out of the sea". He is a human being, who seems destined to become the last and greatest of kings and emperors, going back to Sargon the Great, Pharaoh and others. The other creature, who is isomorphic with him, is an invisible creature called the "dragon", "the devil" and "that old serpent". In another place, he's called the "Prince of this World (System)", the spiritual ruler of all whose lives are driven by a lust for power and glory, and other temporal pleasures.

There are great powers in the universe, which we cannot see; but we can see the effects of them. Once good example is gravity. When Sir Isaac Newton first explained the concept, it was received with some reluctance; because there is no physical connection between the objects attracting one another. Other physical concepts are even stranger, such as "entanglement", which was pronounced as "strange" by none other than the great thinker, Albert Einstein.

These forces have no physical connection; and we cannot see them. That's how I think it is with many "conspiracies" such as "the Movement", "the Swamp" and "ISIS". The authorities keep looking for a connection, but they can't find any; all they can see is the results. The Bible calls these invisible powers "spirits", for lack of a better name. In Hebrew, the word is the same as "wind"; and in Greek it is the same as "a puff of breath".

That's the nugget of it. We're dealing with powerful forces, as strong as gravity and nuclear energy; but they work in people's minds. One such mind is the one in Jared Kushner. He does not look like a monster; but he may be so inside. Another such mind is that of George Soros, who actually looks like a monster. People like this are connected in spirit.

Shalom shalom :-)

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