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Fake claims and stolen symbols of Mahometans

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Submitted by Ianus (Poland), Jan 25, 2013 at 03:41

NuritG wrote:

> When this world fell into the hands of the Muslims-Arabs, the Arabs inherited a great culture, from Alexandria, Egypt, to Aleppo, Syria and beyond. Thus the early "Golden Age" of Islam was as a result of the good fortune of being in the "right place at the right time."<

The Arabs didn't inherit anything, they robbed with raw force everything reducing a higher culture to a lower civilizational status ! The question should be rather "What would the Byzantine civilization have looked like if no Moslem invasions and their wanton destructions, mass abduction of people into Moslem slavery, massacres and mass conversions into Islam accompanying them had taken place?" My modest answer is : " The Arabic "golden" age should look by contrast like a new stone age, an era of regress and barbarization" which it finally turned out to become.

Incidentally, the claims of "inheritance" were made by Moslems from the very beginning as Sebeos witnesses in his "History of Emperor Heraclius" :

" After this they dispatched a message to the Byzantine emperor, saying: "God gave that country as the inherited property [i kaluats zharhangut'ean] of Abraham and of his sons after him. We are the sons of Abraham. It is too much that you hold our country. Leave in peace, and we shall demand from you what you have seized, plus interest. The emperor rejected this. He did not provide a fitting response to the message but rather said: "The country is mine. Your inheritance is the desert. So go in peace to your country."

So everybody except the Mahometans themselves understood clearly what the Mahometans' real inheritance was. I think that every thief's dream is to be recognized as "inheritor" of the victim of his misdeeds but why shall we buy that claim? Because the thief can start doing to us what he has done to the Byzantines?

> Eventually, as always with Islam, in one of its many insecure and reactionary phases, it would find these treasures stock of civilization to be "anti-Islamic" and would squander this great heritage and destroy it. That what they will do to today's Western civilization should they get a chance.<

In some parts of Europe which they have managed - with help of a certain all-powerful Western state - to occupy this is happening. The ruined churches of Kosovo and Northern Cyprus are a foreboding of what is going to happen everywhere else too when Moslems have it their way.

> Interesting fact, even the crescent moon, the symbol of Islam, originally was NOT Islamic; it was a symbol of the great 1000 year Eastern Christian Empire in Byzantium, adopted by the Muslims....<

This symbol is pre-Hellenic and goes back to the ancient moon god Nannna or Semitic Sin whose attributes, queer rites and cult Arabic Allah has fully imitated including the lunar calendar, worshipping a meteorite stone, fasting period beginning and ending with the crescent moon etc.

Speaking of robberies and stolen symbols, for me a much more sinister theft of symbolism is Hagia Sophia which the Turks are so fond of boasting, displaying it in almost every photo of Constantinople and Turkey. These barbarians could not build something better so boast of at least having raped and Islamized Emperor Justinian's Temple.

What other thieves are ashamed of doing in public, the Turks enjoy to the full. To explain what I mean imagine for a moment I am a robber, without any provocation assault you,rob your house,kill you,enslave your family and then I repaint the house, add a shoddy minaret to it and advertise it as "mine", the very heart of my identity and religion! What would you say to that ? That I and my "religion" deserve respect and affection as Turks demand from us for doing exactly that which in every civilized land brings infamy, contempt and the most severe punishments ?

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