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Islam, Israel and Insurgencies - Discerning True Causes and Effects for Tactical Responses

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Submitted by M. Tovey (United States), Sep 8, 2011 at 16:31

As John Wayne once quipped when confronted with an idea that generally ran counter to those of his, "you interest me." Acknowledging the disparity of observations shared between you and I over quite some period of time, there are times when what you comment on provides a certain point of interest.

Now it is quite the thing seen here to make or cast aspersions with ideas not our own, some being more easily dismissed than others. But truly, looking into the background of some of these offerings to see the detail otherwise lost in the shadows of distrust provides for compelling introspection.

As a born and bred product of immigration and composite lineage going back to the America revolution here in America, further having found out that what is being taught in the schools in these contemporary time is from a contradictory mindset than that I was exposed to in my youth, there is truth, and error, in the assumptions of how America has comported herself in the past fifty years and your assertions.

Point of fact, what is politically being used to justify certain activities requires a great deal of circumspection to come to the realization that America is indeed driven to respond to those actions that threaten her sovereignty (contemporary with but independent of 'national security interests'); but of a truth, the tactics could use some finesse.

Though many arguments can be approached to discern that America has as a matter of fact been in a state of war with elements of Islamic factions for decades, whether one wants to call them terrorists or otherwise, the facts verify this situation. This can be traced back to the early 1800's with Thomas Jefferson's altercation with North Africans to currently being branded as the 'Great Satan' by and for extremist Muslims to justify events such as was perpetrated back on September 11, 2001.

Should the United States have entertained employing the lesser of evils concept to deal with Muslim extremists lurking in certain countries known to harbor such elements of Islam; the results speak for themselves in a way that political speeches cannot gloss over without revealing some glaring error. But do the errors provide cause to not respond? Going back to 'the realization that America is indeed driven to respond to those actions that threaten her sovereignty,' while this is still true, again, a better approach to the problem was, and is, still needed. Even now, that is not happening.

But an intervention of a different sort is approaching that will dwarf what the United States has been dealing with in the past; and this needs a better strategic development than that currently in place in order to provide structure to the tactics that will be required. A highlight of the circumstances of Libya is a perfect example that requires a real hard look to see what exactly was intended and what will be the actual results in light of the overall shift in Middle Eastern circumstances.

And as for the allusion of the next altercation betwixt the 'People of the Book' and those following a different book, the issues of Islam and Israel will make a definitive turn as the 'Palestinian' cause turns to the United Nations in seeking their 'redress' of their own reluctance to come to terms for peace: insurgencies of the past will take on a different light as the true realization comes-the 'Palestinian' cause was a tool for the greater cause- and those in the know know exactly what that means.

Your last comment concerning the distinction of Sunni sects is interesting. Thank you.

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