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Our daer Max: we kuffar only tell you what your islamic sources tell us in Arabic something that you cannot do!

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Submitted by dhimmi no more (United States), Mar 13, 2011 at 09:51

Our dear Max al-Fiqi (oh al-Fiqi or as his Arab masters would vocalize it as el-Fi'ee and notice that the Arabs would transliterate our dear Max's i as ee) is not very happy that the Qur'an really says that Islam is the religion of the Arabs only.

Oh al-Fiqi? It is he who memorizes the Qur'an and recites it and in the Arab world this job is given to the lowest of the lowest and to those that learn the Qur'an in a kuttab now let us translate this to our dear Max's cosmos: So in places like Pakistan or India where our dear max is from we have the madrassas that teach boys to read only one book and to memorize only one book that is written in a language that they cannot read speak or write and what a lost life and in the porcess they are subjected to physical, emotional and sexual abuse right our dear max and there was a recent case in England where a tablighee was beating little boys in a madrassa in England! Right our dear max? Oh the end product? We have what is called a hafiz and this is what our dear Max is all about. Right our dear max?

Then he comes up with bizarre ideas because he has nothing to say about the fact that the Qur'an really says that islam is the religion of the Hijazi Arabs only

Now enter transliteration so here is a primer on the language of the Qur'an and the transliteration so in Q14:4 where Allah is saying that Islam must be the religion of the Hijazi Arabs only there are two words and they are MN RSUL

1. In Allah's rasm and the rasm is the basic layer of the Qur'an and it is the language that of Allah but it lacks short and at times long vowels and it lacks double consonants so the two words here are

MN RSUL

2. using vowels in a second language is a function of the way we use vowels in our mother tongue and this is what creates an accent when we speak a foreign language now do you get it our dear Max? And now you know why you will always have an accent when you recite the Qur'an and when you speak English? and because we really do not know Allah's accent then the masorites had to guess

2. MN which was read by the masorites as Meem, kasra Nuun or Noon the kasra can be transliterated as either an e or an i and Arabs would transliterate it with an e and example here the word kabir or big is tranliterated by Arabs also as kabeer and it is just as correct and the name of Muhammad can be written by Arabs as Mohamed or Mohamad and the real difficulty of adding an i here is that Arabs can read it as meen which changes the meaning of the word from among to who! Now do you get it our dear Max? 3. The word RSUL was edited as Rasula or Rasuli and the i here is a kasra and the a is a fatha and there is a grammatical reason for that but I will not explain it until our dear Max makes a fool of himself again and more so if one is to use a kasra or a fatha in this case the meaning of the word does not change this does not mean that change in vowles in Arabic does not change the meaning of a word and case in point in the word MLK in surat al-Fatiha and in the Cairo Qur'an it is read as Maaliki (the owner of) and in the Tunisian Qur'an as maliki (the king of) so one a changed the meaning of the word. Another example is the word MHFZ which is read as mahfuzan and mahfuzun and this slight change lead to two different meanings for such word

So the idea that there is one sinlge way to recite the Qur'an or to transliterate the Arabic of the Qur'an is a bogus idea. How come you did not know that our dear max?

4. The reader will also notice that our dear max uses an n at the end of RSUL and this is a dead give away that he is reciting a text that he cannot read because there is no n at the end of RSUL but in vocalization we have the concept of i3rab or adding nunnation or nuun/noon at the end of such word in such verse

How come you did not know that our dear max?

Oh recitation? The best must be the late Shiekh abd al-Baset from Egypt but there is NO ONE WAY or reciting the Qur'an and i gave you the above two examples

What is really bizarre is that he is debating a language that he cannot read speak or write and he has no clue about basic linguistics!

I feel sorry for you our dear max!

>> "men rasulan" <<"men"? Do you suffer from Alalia? Its "min rasulin". But hey there's nothing new about non-Muslim Arabs reading the Quran incorrectly, and here I reference Anis Shorrosh and Zakaria Botros. Go see for yourselves people. Try not to laugh.

The one who is a joke is you!

>Your homework for today Dr. Dhimmi > find me ANY Quran recitation BY A Muslim who reads "men rasulan" in Q14:4 as appose to "min rasulin". "If ye cannot and surely ye cannot"!

Mr Einstein what they are reciting are not the words of your Allah as we really do not know what Allah's accent was all about they are only guessing as in the case of MHFZ so is it mahfuzan or mahfuzun so which one is it our dear Max and why should I believe one but not the other? any guesses?

I call this ignorance but what should we expect from a hafiz?

>>5.Then Islam is really the religion of the Hijazi Arabs only and you ain't one.

Notice that our dear Max skipped items 1 thru 4 why is that our dear max?

>What are you doing sitting here then? You need to go tell that to the two hundred million Muslim's in Indonesia? Or the Americans who are turning to Islam? Nigeria? The whole east coast of Africa? South Africa? The millions in China? Dr. Dhimmi to the rescue? Bravo!

You sound like communists and what they used to say that in due time the whole world will convert to communism! and where is it now? It is gone and so will islam

>"Every Prophet used to be sent to his nation exclusively but I have been sent to all of mankind."(Sahih Bukhari, V1, Book 8, Hadith number 429).Now tell me how unreliable the books of Hadith are and at the same time use them yourself to support your pathetic claims! Now isn't that interesting?

What is interesting? The anachronistic and bogus hadith? and why should i believe the hadith when I have your Allah's Q14:4? Explain it to us ya ayuha al-falyasoof al-kabeer

So is hadith rida3at al-kabeer and hadith shurb bool al-ba3eer are for real? and why should we reject them but not your above anachronistic hadith?

Oh darn it the Arabic!

>Our dear Max whose Hindu ancestors were brutalized by islam and now he lives among kuffar who pay the cost of his welfare check and the cost of his health care and now he is debating a language that he cannot read speak or write! I call this silly

>"Welfare check"? It's "cheque" Americans and their English(!) Debating?

So is it cheque in the Qur'an too? So why do you allow yourself to be paid by kuffar that pay the cost of your wlefare check and the cost of your health care? I call this hypocrisy!

>I haven't met a worthy opponent to this day.

I will leave this pathetic remark to the readers to judge you ...

>Silly? I'll tell you what silly is. Consider the following case study.....

Oh something is deleted so did you swear at me our dear max? and was it in Urdu? Tsk....tsk....tsk

>Dr. Dhimmi writes that Islam is the religion of Arabs right? Millions made up of Americans, African and Asians are reverting to Islam right? And Dr. Dhimmi is sitting here doing nothing to help them poor people.

Oh and let me paraphrase what communists used to say millions became communists in Africa and Asia and India and where are they now?

>Now that's what I call silly!

What I call silly is some one like you who lives among kuffar that pay the cost of his health care and his welfare check so he can spend time debating a language that he cannot read speak or write

Shame on you

But again Aristotle and his logic was beyond the Muslim mind!

>Aristotle's logic? Don't make me laugh. ROFL?

ROFL? and ROFL to you too

>The fact that you're praising him shows how much you know about him! "Muslim mind"? Where did you derive this little phrase from oh It is staright from sirat rasul allah aka al-sira al-nabawiyya so do you disagree with Ibn ishaq? you think that I should tell your Arab masters that you disagree with Ibn Ishaq? I smell a fatwa here

For the readers anyone interested in the Aristotelian problem and it indeed made it to the biography of Muhammad check page 572-573 and laugh becuase you will discover that pagan Greek logic was beyond Allah and his so called rasul

How come you did not know that our dear max?

>Mr Ignorant? (notice the capital i)

Oh moi ignorant? But wait your Allah says that this life is about al-qada' wa al-qadr right? Oh darn it the Arabic! well if I'm ignorant then we must blame Allah! So you tell me how can we get in touch with Allah so he can un-ignorant me? Oh may be we can do lunch...

Oh do not panic I will do the talking as your Allah does not know any Urdu

>Have you been reading too many anti-Islamic material again?

I only read kutub al-turath al-islami and I tell your likes what these books are saying

So are you saying that kutub al-turath al-islami are "anti-islamic material"? I smell a second fatwa here

There will be no 72 virgins or boys of heaven for you our dear Max!

>Now let us check the editing by the ulama (what a scandal the Ulama were correcting Allah's Arabic!)

>So you're going to "correct" the scholars via online forums? Utter genius!

No I only tell you what your kutub al-turath al-islami tell us and what the masorites told us even 3A'isha realized that the Qur'an is full of grammatical mistakes and she had to come up with this little gem

hadha 3amal al-kuttab akhta'u fi al-kitab

What a fadiha 3A'isha is saying that there are mistakes in the Qur'an but she blames the scribes! The blame the dog excuse!

So you tell us why would Allah allow mistakes in his book? any guesses?

Oh there is more and this time from uthman

la tughayiruha fa inna al-3arab satughayiruha

What a scandal Uthman is saying that there are really mistakes in the Qur'an as in the case of

IN HDHN LSHRN

What a fadiha Allah does not seem to know about a simple rule in Arabic language grammar called ana wa akhawatiha!

These are your sources that tell us that! So if you do not like it then get rid of them!

>And as for the rest of the garbage that you wrote I have two words...... recycle bin.

I read this as you have nothing to say right our dear Max al-tablighee whose welfer check and the cost of his health care are paid by kuffar?

>Ciao.

And pasta and pork and Chianti wine to you too ...

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