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Identifying a Society's Weaknesses to Keep Them Under Control

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Submitted by M. Tovey (United States), Jan 4, 2011 at 16:20

There is an enigma, even a paradox that infuses the thinking of the Western mindset when considering the position of Saudi Arabia and how it engages the mentalities of those who would embrace the Saudi's as potential friends in a global sense, while not being able to understand the power that transformed a desert wasteland into a financial powerhouse of world economics. To have an economic partner with the resources at the Saudi's disposal does wonders for the portfolio; but what lies beneath the transitory influences of that kind of wealth when basic motives are not plain to see.

The world knows how the Saudi's have gained their status, for it is burned in the aftermarket of petroleum based commodities systems wide and the price to pay is not quite extortionist; but it is hard to come with another appropriate term. To be sure they are not alone in the power pressure of petroleum economics, but it is also a surety that they are a major influence.

So we speak of influences, and in terms of what the article by Dr. Pipes is exploring, those influences in Saudi Arabia come under another more subtle view of how the Saudi's embrace their role in world society, specifically under the influences of Islam. In that perspective, the Saudi's have a completely different way to conduct their affairs, both internally, and externally, with notable differences from within and without. But in the immediate analysis (made by others and observed by this reader, who is not an expert in such things, but such things can no longer be ignored by the common person), is that there is more to the inner workings of Saudi Arabia's functioning society that has a bearing on how the Saudi's perceive their relationship to the world. Were they to keep such things to themselves, the world would have no need to wonder how to do business in Saudi Arabia-but such is not the case.

The Saudi's exert their influences in subtle ways, and in ways not so furtive. As a matter of course, it is no secret that the world is fueled in great part by the Saudi's greatest export, and that has great influences. One needs only to look at the fueling stations and recognize their portion. Lesser to that are the more sublime exchanges that do not necessarily have monetary value, but they control such things with diligence. For if they fail in that endeavor, there would not be enough of their oil reserves to keep them from falling into the abyss of a lost society like the Ottomans.

The ruling power has indeed recognized that to keep their political posture, they must maintain an orderly societal structure, one that does not tolerate an internal fracturing that would expose them to factionalism, such as might be caused by Shi'a disturbances of the Sunni-guided form of Islam that provides the fundamental strength of the political power. We see in other Islamically influenced governments that such factionalism is a basic reason Islam has not been able to conquer the entire world, yet. In that view, the Saudi's will not countenance the insurgencies found in places like Iraq without resorting to the necessary means to keep and maintain the ruling royal order.

Now we read in Dr. Pipes dissertation of possible changes in the way the interior society of the Saud Kingdom functions, and more specifically how the attitudes of gender are being considered in a 'more tolerant' perspective. In that, by many who have a better scholarship understanding and who have the more conservative reading of Islam, entertaining the idea of elevating the persons of the non-male gender goes specifically and categorically against the Islamically conservative mentality, and tolerance is exquisitely limited. Perhaps, one might liken the situation to the supposed tolerance that the Chinese government held towards democratic reforms, only to have it identified and suppressed.

The Saudi's have power that is envied by many who are jealous of autocratic authority, such as might been seen in Iran in the ayatollahs, or in Syria. As such, they are in a precarious position to keep their status, and make every effort to not lose control. This is no secret. But what is more compelling is that same type of mentality we see in Saudi Arabia is being spread around the world, by the wahhabism school of thought, which is variously reported as being another Saudi export. Then now, Dr. Pipes article needs more scrutiny to see that, if in fact the reactions around the world and in the United States regarding Muslim schools and their support from sources that are Wahhabist in influences are indeed gaining in stature, then a closer eye needs to be used in understanding why the Saudi's function as they do: and Dr. Pipes' closing deserves not merely full attention, but a better posture than what is now being peddled by those who cannot seem to find the right form of apologetics to counter an Islamic way of life.

If another vehicle to understand how this will have worldwide implications greater than now seen, examine the rift that sent Osama bin Laden to the dessert in complete dissention to the Royal Saudi way of life, using that to discern the divergences as described by Dr. Pipes – the monarchical and Taliban versions of Wahhabism. Which would any person from a western culture perspective wish to see imposed on a world society that has left believing the Holy Bible? Anyone?

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2NEVER [240 words]Cherif El-AyoutyFeb 22, 2011 03:10182872
1Is Saudi Arabia Opening Up? [33 words]firozJan 15, 2011 05:48181810
2Soon it will not matter [137 words]yuval Brandstetter MDJan 11, 2011 11:23181737
It really does matter [141 words]saraMar 30, 2012 15:39181737
4Optimist [34 words]gfmucciJan 10, 2011 13:56181707
1Just another false hope [122 words]Rebecca MouldsJan 6, 2011 04:43181595
1Saudi hegemony…No, Yes, NO! [136 words]NuritGJan 5, 2011 14:59181571
1Dear Dr. Pipes [68 words]
w/response from Daniel Pipes
Debanjan BanerjeeJan 8, 2011 11:43181571
3Good review [27 words]John in Michigan, USAJan 4, 2011 18:28181549
Identifying a Society's Weaknesses to Keep Them Under Control [914 words]M. ToveyJan 4, 2011 16:20181546
3opening up [570 words]Sir Daniel M.J. TobinJan 4, 2011 11:35181536
6One more culprit [437 words]IanusJan 6, 2011 08:06181536
3Royal Oil and the Caliphate [443 words]Arlinda DeAngelisJan 6, 2011 18:53181536
2Turkey? [597 words]Sir Daniel M.J. TobinJan 7, 2011 11:39181536
3Great comment ! [155 words]IanusJan 7, 2011 13:19181536
3Democracy is not for Saudi Arabia - not yet [332 words]Frank LukeJan 4, 2011 10:18181533
1Cut the Snake's head [93 words]AngelJan 4, 2011 10:12181532
5Is Saudi Arabia Opening Up? [46 words]KamathJan 4, 2011 08:42181529
1Doing Nothing can be dangerous [42 words]Frank LukeJan 5, 2011 10:52181529
7Reforms in Saudistan ? King Abdullah's new clothes ! [696 words]IanusJan 5, 2011 16:30181529
1Time is NOT on our side [70 words]Joe Six-PackJan 5, 2011 18:28181529
2Time is not on our side? [253 words]RajeevJan 7, 2011 02:35181529
Powers of Analysis [52 words]Amin RiazFeb 1, 2011 21:24181529
6Islamic hypocrisy [64 words]dhimmi no moreFeb 3, 2011 07:07181529
To convert the lot of you... to Islam [92 words]Amin RiazFeb 3, 2011 20:23181529
1Hypocrisy 101!!! [54 words]JaladhiFeb 4, 2011 14:57181529
6Islamic da3wa and tabligh are against Allah's grand plan and these are not my words [460 words]dhimmi no moreFeb 5, 2011 07:22181529
Your concern is touching ... Dhims [107 words]Amin RiazFeb 5, 2011 21:54181529
7What is my concern? [308 words]dhimmi no moreFeb 8, 2011 06:14181529
Lack of an ability for a discourse [11 words]Amin RiazFeb 8, 2011 22:01181529
5Islam is the religion of the Hijazi Arabs only and this is what the Qur'an says [35 words]dhimmi no moreFeb 11, 2011 07:18181529
Propaganda [62 words]Amin RiazFeb 11, 2011 23:38181529
4Islam is really the religion of the Hijazi Arabs only [229 words]dhimmi no moreFeb 13, 2011 09:20181529
With brains like that... [91 words]Amin RiazFeb 15, 2011 19:05181529
4Islam is the religion of the Hijazi Arabs only and this is what the Qur'an says [197 words]dhimmi no moreFeb 17, 2011 06:29181529
Repetitions [117 words]Amin RiazFeb 19, 2011 14:00181529
5Islam is the religion of the Hijazi Arabs only and this is what the Qur'an says part deux [435 words]dhimmi no moreFeb 21, 2011 18:28181529
quick query to dhimmi no more [28 words]maximillionMar 2, 2011 19:22181529
77Teaching Arabic to one tablighee at a time [256 words]dhimmi no moreMar 4, 2011 06:28181529
14to dhimmi no more ... [121 words]maximillionMar 4, 2011 22:04181529
6Teaching Arabic to one tablighee at a time part deux read and laugh [1086 words]dhimmi no moreMar 6, 2011 07:00181529
7If it is a mistake then i must be in good company! [249 words]dhimmi no moreMar 6, 2011 07:53181529
5I cannot wait for this one either [258 words]dhimmi no moreMar 6, 2011 08:19181529
11our dear Max is asking me to look up the meaning of a perfect Arabic word in an English language dictionary! I call this ignorance [130 words]dhimmi no moreMar 6, 2011 10:20181529
4Islam is the religion of the Hijazi Arabs only and this is what the Qur'an says and al-wali wa al-mawali [237 words]dhimmi no moreMar 6, 2011 10:30181529
5Arabic grammar [104 words]dhimmi no moreMar 6, 2011 10:55181529
4Teaching Arabic to one tablighee at a time part Nth [183 words]dhimmi no moreMar 6, 2011 14:00181529
4The Qur'an says that Islam is the religion of the Hijazi Arabs only and you ain't no Hijazi Arab [484 words]dhimmi no moreMar 7, 2011 08:52181529
2Islam is really the religion of the Hijazi Arabs only [592 words]dhimmi no moreMar 10, 2011 06:19181529
1Teaching by the wonderful Dr. Dhimmi.... [512 words]maximillionMar 10, 2011 19:24181529
4Islam is the religion of the Hijazi Arabs only and this is what the Qur'an says part Nth [1357 words]dhimmi no moreMar 12, 2011 07:37181529
3al-komidya al-islamiyya one more time, Islam is the religion of the Arabs only and transliteration of Arabic by Arabs [1090 words]dhimmi no moreMar 12, 2011 13:53181529
4More Islamic ignorance [184 words]dhimmi no moreMar 12, 2011 14:09181529
2Our daer Max has no clue what is really Allah's rasm or what is really al-i3rab and i call this ignorance [920 words]dhimmi no moreMar 12, 2011 14:48181529
12Dr. Dhimmi all confused? [354 words]maximillionMar 12, 2011 20:45181529
4Our daer Max: we kuffar only tell you what your islamic sources tell us in Arabic something that you cannot do! [2000 words]dhimmi no moreMar 13, 2011 09:51181529
2More evidence from the Qur'an that islam is the religion of the Arabs only [148 words]dhimmi no moreMar 13, 2011 10:06181529
4Aristotle in the Sira read and laugh [282 words]dhimmi no moreMar 13, 2011 14:52181529
17Islam is the religion of the Hijazi Arabs only and this is what the Qur'an says [86 words]dhimmi no moreMar 15, 2011 11:26181529
1More evidence from the Qur'an that islam is the religion of the Arabs only part deux [205 words]dhimmi no moreMar 19, 2011 07:32181529
2More evidence from the Qur'an that islam is the religion of the Arabs only part trois [170 words]dhimmi no moreMar 19, 2011 07:42181529
11Our dear Max revisited and al-qira'at al-sab3a [924 words]dhimmi no moreMar 27, 2011 15:37181529
Islam Will Have Its Moment to try Conversion - But In the Eternal Realm, it is Only a Moment [1068 words]M. ToveyApr 4, 2011 14:15181529
To you is yours and to me is mine [129 words]Liam DevlinDec 7, 2011 03:54181529
6Another victim of Arabian imperialism and of Islam [918 words]dhimmi no moreDec 8, 2011 07:07181529
Islam [142 words]AhmedMar 30, 2012 11:56181529

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