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So what is the reason for revelation for ayat la ikrah fi al-deen? and how about the Meccan pagans did they have a choice?

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Submitted by dhimmi no more (United States), Sep 15, 2010 at 07:32

Our dear Salam rabina yu3alimuhu ina Allah yaqul fi al-Qur'an

wa ma arsalna men rasulan ila bilisani qawmihi

Which means that islam is the religion of the Hijazi Arabs only so who was the rasul that was sent to your Hindu ancestors? Any guesses?

Oh the Arabic? You can ask one of your Arab masters to translate it for you

>Dear brother in humanity. i would like to start by thanking you for your reply to me.

Whatever

>However i would request you that in your future replies let us keep the discussion with no sarcasm. i was brought up among people who taught me the respect of others and this is what i showed to you, and this is what i show to every person regardless of his color skin, level of society, sect or background. Everyone has something to be proud of at the end of the day. Hope that you agree with me on this.

No I do not. And sarcasm will be on the way

>Just a small correction for you, this Ayah

It is aya and not your urdu ayah right our dear salama?

>which i mentioned is a confirmed and Ayah that is Mansoukhah

ROTFL Pakistani English Arabic it is aya mansoukha

See what happens when you become the slave of a foreign language Arabic that is?

Or Are you an Arab that flunked his nahw al-lugha al-3arabiyya?

> by Ayat Al Sayf. as it talks about the right to choose your deen and what to follow. so it cannot be replaceb by the Ayat of Al Saif.

Says who? you? and you ain't al-Tabari or al-Nahas right?

Hello: ayat al-sayf nasakhit ayat la ikrah and I'm not the one who is saying that it is your islamic sources that say that and how come you did not know that?

>Now although i admire your insight knowledge of the versus of the Quraan, i still totally disagree with your interpretation

Hello: I only tell you what your Muslim sources tell us in Arabic a language that you cannot speak read or write right our dear salama? so if you do not like what I'm saying then destory such sources

>and the way you tried to put the address to it, on the title of your reply. i have never said that:" Muslims can leave Islam without fear of harm being inflicted on them" this is what you wrote,

So?

>As this will put me to trouble of allowing the disobedient of Allah and leaving his Deen after they knew it. for sure i didn't say that

Therefore you proved my point that this little aya (la ikrah fi al-deen) does not count anymore

And to paraphrase nahas in his book "al-nasikh wa al-mansukh"

ina ayat la ikrah fi al-deen nusikhat bi ayat al-sayf

These are not my words as hhese are your sources in Arabic and how come you did not know that?

So much for the bogus la ikrah fi al-deen

For the readers: Nahas tells us that the infamous sword verse abrogated 124 verses including the no compulsion verse which means that a big chunk of the book of Arabian ignorance can be removed safely from the Qur'an as it has no value or even meaning

>what i said was "so the decision of what to believe and what to follow is up to everyone and based on his believes and own choice.

Wrong as your Arabian Allah says that this life is about

al-qada' wa al-qadr

Which means we can only blame Allah for making my likes, thank the gods, a kafir

So do you have any difficulty with your Allah's al-qada' wa al-qadr?

Oh the Arabic? May be you can ask one of your Arab masters to tell you what I just wrote

>And everyone would be questioned and examined by the almighty on that basis, i.e. based on every one's choice"

so you tell us why is there ayat la ikrah fi al-deen if this life is about your Allah's little al-qada' wa al-qadr ya ayuha al-fahlawi al-kabeer?

>and please read what i underlined.

And?

>There is something called the belief,

And there is something called stop being a victim of a language and culture that you do not belong to and stop being a wannabe Arab

>and this is what you are really questioned about at the day of judgement.

Oh yum al-qiyama! I'm scared and this is sarcasm

>The believe recite in your heart. So you could be something from outside and another thing from inside and Allah knows about both. For us as human we need to take the outside part only and leave the inside part "intentions and believes " to the almighty to judge. Add to that, i think it makes a lot of sense that when you accept a law to govern you, you should take it all, the punishment and the reward out of it. Same goes for our religions.

Really? but your Allah says in Arabic

fa yadilu allahu man yasha' wa yahdi man yasha'

Do you know that this means? Let me help you: it means that your Allah is the one to blame because he guides whom ever he wants and he leads astray whom ever he wants

So do you think that you and I can do lunch with Allah and tell him that he is to be blamed for this professor leaving Islam? Oh and order the ham and the bacon for me

Oh do not panic I will do the talking as your Allah is an Arab and he knows no English or Urdu which means that when you pray to him in urdu he has no clue about what you are saying

>Regarding the Ayah of Al sayf,

ROTFL Pakistani English Arabic it is

ayat al-sayf

You cannot be an Arab you are and you must pardon me a fake

> this is another Ayah,

no it is aya but I guess you have no clue about what is really a teh marbouta right?

>"part of the islamic law" that i cannot argue with you about its application, but what i really mean is, still if the choice of a person not to be a Muslim, that is his choice, and this goes to those who live on Muslim Lands. And we cannot force any one to change himself, and it is not happening anyways, this is why we don't force any one to embrace Islam.

Bogus how about the so called Meccan pagans in ayat al-sayf mr ignorant? They had one of two choices to become Muslims or be killed by the sword and how about your Hindu ancestors? 90M of them were killed in cold blood by your Arab masters shame on you

>For those who decided to leave Islam as a religion after being Muslims, good for them and that is their own choice, but they have to knwo the concequences,

Islamic threats right? so much for the la ikrah fi al-deen

>we cannot force them to get back but they have to respect the law that applies to them.

Oh to be killed? How barbaric!

>However they always have other choices, just like what is happening now, they simply either travel or keep quiet about it.

Then there really no la ikrah fi al-deen right our dear salama whose ancestors the Hindus were brutalized by islam?

>Bottom line let us face it,

The bottom line is stop being a victim of the Arabs and their imperialism

>it depends on the place you are living in. to apply the law you need to be in a place that respects that law and take it as the main guidance, but at the end still "لا إكراه في الدين " i still cannot force you to believe what you don't want to believe in, even if you announce Islam and Hide something different. so who knows better and will judge, it's Allah the Almighty. and we all know that, you and I and every single person on earth. i think you agree with me.

Agree with you about what? That you cannot be an Arab? or that you are really clueless?

Hello: ayat la ikrah fi al-deen nusikhat bi ayat al-sayf

So here is your home work for today from your islamic sources you tell us what is sabab al-nuzul li ayat la ikrah fi al-deen? You tell us ya ayuha al-fahlawi al-kabeer!

>the above is only for clarity and confirmation.

And i feel sorry for you. The Arabs have no like for anyone that comes from India or Paksitan right our dear Salama? And they even call your likes and you must pardon me maskeen men el-hind aw el-bakistan right?

See? the sarcasm comes out when you pretend to be some one that you are not and why is it bad not to be an Arab? But again this is what Arabian imperialism is all about

>Please accept my best regards

And i urge you to leave islam and be free again


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1Mr. [119 words]MorrisMar 20, 2010 05:56170432
Interesting news [58 words]Peter HerzMar 25, 2010 21:11170432
2Dr. Rahouma [34 words]dhimmi no moreApr 10, 2010 07:15170432
1Darwish, Pipes & Sultan join statement (Dr. M Rahouma ink ) [14 words]MorrisApr 10, 2010 23:49170432
1Darwish, Pipes & Sultan statement [33 words]MorrisApr 11, 2010 15:52170432
1Dr Rahouma [34 words]dhimmi no moreApr 12, 2010 07:06170432
1Darwish, Pipes, Sultan joint statement . [76 words]MorrisApr 12, 2010 22:07170432
Dr.M. Rahouma [50 words]MorrisApr 15, 2010 17:00170432
A small correction, With full respect !! [122 words]salamaSep 11, 2010 22:10170432
2Ayat la ikrah fi al-deen and can Muslims leave islam with out fear of harm being inflicted on them? [228 words]dhimmi no moreSep 12, 2010 07:00170432
reply to Dhimmi- no more [654 words]SalamaSep 13, 2010 14:32170432
2So what is the reason for revelation for ayat la ikrah fi al-deen? and how about the Meccan pagans did they have a choice? [1509 words]dhimmi no moreSep 15, 2010 07:32170432
Thank you for guiding me, and no need to reply unless you follow my rules [2087 words]SALAMASep 17, 2010 09:01170432
Really Enjoying International Commentaries Because Of This We Learn [347 words]D.K.Milgrim-HeathSep 18, 2010 17:54170432
2The no compulsion in religion was abrogated by the sword verse! These are not my words these are the words of your islamic sources [1504 words]dhimmi no moreSep 19, 2010 08:11170432
2Islamic comedy big time [141 words]dhimmi no moreSep 19, 2010 09:10170432
3So what is the reason for revelation of ayat la ikrah fi al-deen? and you think that I forgot? [69 words]dhimmi no moreSep 19, 2010 09:19170432
1islam is really the religion of the Arabvs only and you and i are not Arabs right?then you and I cannot become Muslims [333 words]dhimmi no moreSep 19, 2010 09:34170432
2Islamic drivel and Rabbi Hillel makes it to the Qur'an and other sordid matters [527 words]dhimmi no moreSep 19, 2010 13:34170432
4And the Islamic comedy goes on and on [121 words]dhimmi no moreSep 20, 2010 07:03170432
Translation of Coptic Conference statement [114 words]Edward ClineMar 19, 2010 09:13170405

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