Red Mosque in Rebellion
by Daniel Pipes
New York Sun
July 17, 2007
http://www.danielpipes.org/4770/red-mosque-in-rebellion
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Imagine that an Islamist central command exists — and that you are its chief strategist, with a mandate to spread full application of Shariah, or Islamic law, through all means available, with the ultimate goal of a worldwide caliphate. What advice would you offer your comrades in the aftermath of the eight-day Red Mosque rebellion in Islamabad, the capital of Pakistan?
Probably, you would review the past six decades of Islamist efforts and conclude that you have three main options: overthrowing the government, working through the system, or a combination of the two.
Islamists can use several catalysts to seize power. (I draw here on "Waiting for the Other Shoe to Drop: How Inevitable is an Islamist Future?" by Cameron Brown.)
- Revolution, meaning a wide-scale social revolt: Successful only in Iran, in 1978–79, because it requires special circumstances.
- Coup d'état: Successful only in Sudan, in 1989, because rulers generally know how to protect themselves.
- Civil war: Successful only in Afghanistan, in 1996, because dominant, cruel states generally put down insurrections (as in Algeria, Egypt, and Syria).
- Terrorism: Never successful, nor is it ever likely to be. It can cause huge damage, but without changing regimes. Can one really imagine a people raising the white flag and succumbing to terrorist threats? This did not happen after the assassination of Anwar Sadat in Egypt in 1981, or after the attacks of September 11, 2001, in America, or even after the Madrid bombings of 2004.
A clever strategist should conclude from this survey that overthrowing the government rarely leads to victory. In contrast, recent events show that working through the system offers better odds — note the Islamist electoral successes in Algeria (1992), Bangladesh (2001), Turkey (2002), and Iraq (2005). But working within the system, these cases also suggest, has its limitations. Best is a combination of softening up the enemy through lawful means, then seizing power. The Palestinian Authority (2006) offers a case of this one-two punch succeeding, with Hamas winning the elections, then staging an insurrection. Another, quite different example of this combination just occurred in Pakistan.
 The Red Mosque (Lal Masjid) complex sits at the heart of official Islamabad, the capital city of Pakistan, amid the country's ruling institutions. |
The vast Red Mosque complex, also known as the Lal Masjid, geographically in the midst of Pakistan's ruling institutions, boasts long-standing connections to the regime's elite, and includes huge male and female madrassas. But, turning on its benefactors, Kalashnikov-toting burqa-clad students confronted the police in January 2007 to prevent them from demolishing an illegally constructed building.
In April, the mega-mosque's deputy imam, Abdul Rashid Ghazi, announced the imposition of Shariah "in the areas in our control" and established an Islamic court that issued decrees and judgments, rivaling those of the government.
The mosque then sent some of its thousands of madrassa students to serve as a morals police force in Islamabad, to enforce a Taliban-style regime locally with the ultimate goal of spreading it countrywide. Students closed barbershops, occupied a children's library, pillaged music and video stores, attacked alleged brothels and tortured the alleged madams. They even kidnapped police officers.
The Red Mosque leadership threatened suicide bombings if the government of Pervez Musharraf attempted to rein in its bid for quasi-sovereignty. Security forces duly stayed away. The six-month standoff culminated on July 3, when students from the mosque, some masked and armed, rushed a police checkpoint, ransacked nearby government ministries, and set cars on fire, leaving 16 dead.
This confrontation with the government aimed at nothing less than overthrowing it, the mosque's deputy imam, Abdur Rashid Ghazi, proclaimed on July 7: "We have firm belief in God that our blood will lead to a[n Islamic] revolution." Threatened, the government attacked the mega-mosque early on July 10. The 36-hour raid turned up a stockpiled arsenal of suicide vests, machine guns, gasoline bombs, rocket-propelled grenade launchers, anti-tank mines — and letters of instruction from Al-Qaeda's leadership.
Mr. Musharraf termed the madrassa "a fortress for war." In all, the revolt directly caused more than 100 deaths.
Mosques have been used as places for inciting violence, planning operations, and storing weapons, but deploying one as a base to overthrow the government creates a precedent. The Red Mosque model offers Islamists a bold tactic, one they likely will try again, especially if the recent episode, which has shaken the country, succeeds in pushing Mr. Musharraf out of office.
Our imaginary Islamist strategist, in short, can now deploy another tactic to attain power.
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Oct. 14, 2007 update: The Lal Masjid story is not over, reports the Washington Post today in "Pakistan's Embattled Mosque Reopens With Fresh Momentum." An excerpt:
Three months after a bloody commando raid shuttered a haven for radicalism in the heart of this mild-mannered city, the Red Mosque is open again. And in some ways, little has changed.
At prayers this month, calls for Islamic revolution once again echoed from the minarets. Worshipers talked of overthrowing the Pakistani president, Gen. Pervez Musharraf, in favor of a Taliban-style government. Many wore the red knit prayer caps long favored by Abdul Rashid Ghazi, the firebrand cleric who was killed in the last hours of a nine-day standoff that transfixed Pakistan and seemed to embody the country's struggle with religious extremism.
But here's what was different at the Red Mosque: The crowd that turned out for prayers, relatively modest in size before the siege, spilled out of the mosque and into the courtyard. It continued down the street and filled an adjacent park. Afterward, impassioned worshipers talked about how they had come to honor the "thousands" who had died. (Government estimates put the number of dead at 103.) They walked the adjacent grounds where the girls' madrassa, or religious school, once stood, sifting the rubble for bits of bloodstained masonry. And they said a special prayer for the Red Mosque martyrs, at which point almost everyone began to weep.
The government had hoped that raiding the Red Mosque would strike a powerful blow against radical religious groups in Pakistan. Instead, the mosque has become a memorial, a rallying cry and a propaganda tool for those groups, giving them more recruits and fresh momentum to unleash vicious attacks. Al-Qaeda leaders Osama bin Laden and Ayman al-Zawahiri have both dwelt on the Red Mosque in recordings that call for jihad against Musharraf. Their pleas have been answered in a surge of violence that has claimed more than 1,000 lives and has turned even more Pakistani territory into hostile terrain for the country's army.
Until a couple of weeks ago, the government could at least boast about the tactical victory of retaining control over the mosque itself. But after an aborted reopening in July that ended with the government-appointed cleric fleeing an angry mob, the mosque was returned to the group that operated it before the raid.
On Oct. 3, policemen peeled back layers of barbed wire, and forklifts hoisted away the roadblocks that had encircled the mosque for months. Hundreds of followers of Ghazi and his brother, the imprisoned Maulana Abdul Aziz, streamed in, many flashing victory signs.
Apr. 18, 2009 update: The Lal Masjid imam, Abdul Aziz Ghazi, released from nearly two years of house arrest, returned to the mosque yesterday and renewed the call for the application of Islamic law in Pakistan. "If the government wants peace and stability, it should adopt the Islamic system," he said. "But if it chooses the path of aggression and force, it will further aggravate the situation." One can expect much more trouble ahead from this mosque.
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[75 words] | dhimmi no more | Aug 4, 2007 06:20 | | ↔ we dont have problem with converts [75 words] | syed mohammad ali | Aug 6, 2007 12:35 | | ↔ you need to look at islamic sources [352 words] | syed mohammad ali | Aug 6, 2007 12:49 | | ↔ jaising have you ever read quranic sources regarding stone [216 words] | SYED MOHAMMAD ALI | Aug 6, 2007 13:11 | | ↔ Kissing the ka3ba and paganism and justifying the absurd [71 words] | dhimmi no more | Aug 6, 2007 18:11 | | ↔ I do have a problem with converts?I feel sorry for them [129 words] | dhimmi no more | Aug 6, 2007 18:19 | | ↔ Our dear Syed and sabab al-nuzul of Q112 [55 words] | dhimmi no more | Aug 6, 2007 18:27 | | ↔ Our dear Syed and his lesson in Islamic theology and kissing of the ka3bba is nothing but paganism [165 words] | dhimmi no more | Aug 7, 2007 07:23 | | ↔ i never leave islam.... [85 words] | syed mohammad ali | Aug 12, 2007 12:57 | | ↔ is kiss means worship? [35 words] | syed mohammad ali | Aug 12, 2007 13:01 | | ↔ surah iqhlas 112 ...... [346 words] | syed mohammad ali | Aug 12, 2007 13:24 | | ↔ mr dhimmi, i make it clear for you [62 words] | syed mohamamd ali | Aug 12, 2007 13:37 | | ↔ And I invite you to leave islam [22 words] | dhimmi no more | Aug 13, 2007 06:46 | | ↔ Kissing astone? and justifying the absurd [50 words] | dhimmi no more | Aug 13, 2007 06:52 | | ↔ sure when it comes to truth you didnt find reason in it [38 words] | syed mohammad ali | Aug 14, 2007 06:00 | | ↔ May be I need to repeat myself one more time [29 words] | dhimmi no more | Aug 14, 2007 18:19 | | ↔ your ignorance showing here [6 words] | syed mohammad ali | Aug 16, 2007 13:16 | | ↔ Our dear Syed the careless reader and maybe i need to repeat myself one more time [90 words] | dhimmi no more | Aug 16, 2007 20:12 | | ↔ Our dear Syed and kissing and worshiping [111 words] | dihmmi no more | Aug 18, 2007 12:42 | | ↔ islam is for every one [49 words] | syed mohammad ali | Aug 22, 2007 13:05 | | ↔ Umar is my favorite early Moslem -- he knew what was stupid, even if he did it [126 words] | Charles Martel | Aug 28, 2007 12:27 | | ↔ i am happy that you are reading about islam [31 words] | syed mohammad ali | Aug 29, 2007 12:28 | | ↔ Helping Bangladesh to get the independance was not a charity by India [52 words] | khaled | Oct 9, 2007 12:11 | | ↔ islamisation [39 words] | sartaj | Sep 9, 2008 03:44 | | Not the islamic way at all!!! [59 words] | ahmadzafire | Jul 21, 2007 07:42 | | ↔ If Talibaan is not Islam than what are .....?? [239 words] | Jiggy | Jul 25, 2007 02:14 | | ↔ Red Mosque in Rebellion: A Reply to Mr. ahmadzafire [190 words] | Jaisingh Thakur | Jul 25, 2007 08:09 | | ↔ Islam is what Islamist organizations do so well !!! [123 words] | Jaladhi | Jul 26, 2007 22:00 | | Christians begin crucified. [52 words] | Susan | Jul 20, 2007 14:20 | | ↔ Where is this? [29 words] | ahmadzafire | Jul 22, 2007 18:00 | | ↔ Red Masjid in Turkey- Islamists win BIG. [39 words] | Paul King | Jul 23, 2007 01:42 | | ↔ Christians fleeing Pakistan [373 words] | Rizwan | Jul 25, 2007 15:11 | | ↔ WHY ISLAM HATES CHRISTIANITY AND CHRISTIANS ??? [1302 words] | Ronald | Jul 26, 2007 13:35 | | ↔ Red Mosque in Rebellion: A Reply to Ronald [350 words] | Jaisingh Thakur | Jul 27, 2007 03:18 | | ↔ Korean Medical missionary victim of islamic terror [260 words] | john | Jul 31, 2007 08:15 | | ↔ not really!!! [697 words] | ahmadzafie | Aug 13, 2007 20:59 | | ↔ a reality check for ahmadzafie [122 words] | PBUH | Aug 15, 2007 04:27 | | ↔ PBUH [137 words] | ahmadzafire | Aug 15, 2007 22:59 | | ↔ shake the cob-webs [199 words] | PBUH | Aug 17, 2007 04:58 | | ↔ PBUH..... [935 words] | ahmadzafire | Aug 20, 2007 23:05 | | ↔ Just a thought of Mine [884 words] | Amira Mohamed | May 22, 2009 23:14 | | Why The Red Mosque Islamists won't succeed. [684 words] | Chris G. | Jul 20, 2007 14:20 | | ↔ Wishful Thinking [133 words] | LDC | Jul 21, 2007 15:44 | | ↔ Could terrorists wage nuclear jihad? [546 words] | Latur | Jul 25, 2007 15:53 | | ↔ Nazis were minority in Germany but they captured power and initiated World War II so in the same way... [154 words] | Historian | Jul 26, 2007 13:03 | | ↔ Total Number of Islamists now are far more than Total German Population during World War II. [117 words] | Francois | Aug 3, 2007 12:07 | | This tactic will be used in the West and USA [179 words] | f.sha | Jul 20, 2007 10:57 | | ↔ We should start targetting the legal activities of Islamists as well . [57 words] | Tom | Jul 24, 2007 05:31 | | Wake up Europe and America [196 words] | john | Jul 20, 2007 04:49 | | ↔ Pakistan's Nuclear Money Trail [1126 words] | Moni | Jul 25, 2007 15:34 | | A Profound Question of Strategy [645 words] | Ron Thompson | Jul 19, 2007 15:19 | | They have these plans for US soil... [187 words] | jillosophy | Jul 19, 2007 14:56 | | ↔ No Pakistanis = No Islamism = No Incitement = No Terrorism = No Bloodshed = Peace [21 words] | Charles | Jul 27, 2007 12:24 | Madrid bombings not successful??? [w/response] [136 words] | Bry | Jul 19, 2007 11:09 | | ↔ Korean Hostages taken by Talibaani Terrorists have forced to announce Koreans about the date of their withdrawal from Afghanistan [58 words] | Kim | Jul 24, 2007 14:03 | | ↔ Pakistan supported Taliban Terrorists abduct Indian engineer in Afghanistan [119 words] | Gaurav | Aug 3, 2007 06:28 | | in the indian subcontinent [94 words] | G.Vishvas | Jul 19, 2007 10:56 | | ↔ Saudis, with Pakistani help, working on nuclear programme [228 words] | Ram | Jul 25, 2007 15:50 | | Pervez Musharraf [199 words] | Peter, Scotland | Jul 18, 2007 18:08 | | Pakistan's future will be in the hands of the Islamists [107 words] | Shehab Akhter | Jul 18, 2007 14:20 | | ↔ Terrorist means a bearded muslim having Koran in one hand and AK-47 Rifle in another hand and shouting " Jehad" [72 words] | Advan | Jul 21, 2007 15:20 | | ↔ Musharraf's attempt at a political solution to peace in the region had backfired by giving al-Qaida a place and time to regroup [87 words] | LKhuia | Jul 22, 2007 13:25 | | ↔ If Pakistan's future is in hands of Islamists , We must keep our arsenal of Tactical Nukes and F-35 aeroplanes ready for Military intervention immediately [48 words] | Paul | Jul 24, 2007 02:35 | | ↔ MUSHARRAF & BENAZIR: A THREE-LEGGED RACE TO SAVE PAKISTAN [952 words] | Lawrence | Aug 2, 2007 07:41 | | red mosque rebellion [174 words] | imdad ali | Jul 18, 2007 13:41 | | ↔ Musharaf must prove himself by cracking down on every Mosque sheltering militants [37 words] | Eli | Jul 24, 2007 06:54 | | Mosques used as bases [73 words] | David W. Lincoln | Jul 18, 2007 12:07 | Monitor Mosques [w/response] [223 words] | Kenny | Jul 18, 2007 11:40 | | ↔ Too true.. [163 words] | donvan | Jul 23, 2007 15:06 | | ↔ We should monitor every mosque / madrassa and infiltrate every muslim congregation / community in West [1130 words] | Ken | Jul 24, 2007 06:46 | | ↔ You obviously have no knowledge whatsoever of Islam [52 words] | jweltch | Sep 14, 2009 23:03 | | Red Mosque [400 words] | analyst | Jul 18, 2007 09:00 | | Of Course its Quran in one Hand and an Assault Weapon in the other Hand [79 words] | us_kanna | Jul 18, 2007 08:52 | | Red Mosque in Rebellion [421 words] | barbara | Jul 18, 2007 08:44 | | ↔ Habib Bank Limited Sued by Mariane Pearl [718 words] | Kamat | Jul 25, 2007 16:29 | | ↔ Pakistani Business Groups like ARY are also involved in facilitating acts of Terrorism. [92 words] | Murc | Aug 2, 2007 07:01 | | George Bush and his ever lasting gift to political Islam [241 words] | Harrak | Jul 18, 2007 08:04 | | ↔ Throwing Stones - No Solutions [421 words] | SS | Jul 22, 2007 01:17 | | ↔ Solutions [379 words] | Harrak | Jul 23, 2007 04:51 | | ↔ I Stand Corrected [76 words] | SS | Jul 23, 2007 20:57 | | ↔ A desirable outcome [34 words] | Vijay | Jul 28, 2007 08:20 | | ↔ Re: a desirable outcome [153 words] | Harrak | Jul 29, 2007 23:58 | | Red Mosque in Rebellion Art. No. 4770 [130 words] | S.C.Panda | Jul 18, 2007 08:01 | | ↔ Tackling Al-Qaeda in Pakistan : One and Only Option left for World Community . [716 words] | Russell Ruch | Jul 24, 2007 08:56 | | First Muslim USA Congressman~working the system? [60 words] | R. Davidson | Jul 18, 2007 07:28 | | Muslims Are Killing Each Other [364 words] | kamekish | Jul 18, 2007 03:34 | | ↔ Nothing will change Muslims!!! [136 words] | Jaladhi | Jul 22, 2007 06:37 | | ↔ I wonder why our US ally Musharaf is not acting other Islamist Terrorist Organisations which are more dangerous to West ??? [226 words] | John | Jul 22, 2007 14:01 | | ↔ I am shocked to see so many Terrorist Organisations are operating from Pakistani Territory...!!!!!! [29 words] | Eliza | Jul 24, 2007 01:58 | | ↔ How can we trust Pakistanis now ??? [121 words] | Patrick | Jul 24, 2007 09:33 | | ↔ If I am not wrong it was members of Pakistan based Islamist Group Jamat al Furqa who were involved in 16 murders in USA [94 words] | Dan | Jul 24, 2007 12:25 | | ↔ Terrorist groups. [44 words] | surj | Jul 26, 2007 19:36 | | ↔ Aid to Pakistan : some random thoughts [445 words] | Jaisingh Thakur | Jul 29, 2007 23:47 | | ↔ US has asked Pakistan to handover Muslim Mafia Don Dawood Ibrahim in connection with his involvement with Drug Trade and Al Qaida [94 words] | Sawant | Aug 3, 2007 14:43 | | Terrorism/regime change [75 words] | DAVID R. GROESBECK | Jul 18, 2007 02:51 | | THE RED MOSQUE CONFRONTATION: A COMMENT [43 words] | Jaisingh Thakur | Jul 17, 2007 23:35 | | ↔ May be its Zia ul Haque , Ayuib Khan , Yahya Khan or Pervez Mushraf , they will always follow Korana and Koranic Concept of War [847 words] | Narciss | Jul 24, 2007 01:56 | | ↔ Rethinking Western Strategies Toward Pakistan: An Action Agenda for the United States and Europe [456 words] | Fred | Jul 27, 2007 14:16 | | The Red Mosque [104 words] | steven L | Jul 17, 2007 21:42 | | Another Fine Piece [25 words] | LDC | Jul 17, 2007 19:32 | | ↔ We need Mr.Daniel Pipes in US Administration : I wish Mr. Pipes contested for President as Republican [36 words] | Jeeva | Jul 24, 2007 09:38 | | Here in America? [12 words] | Mordechai | Jul 17, 2007 19:29 | | Hitler showed the way to win [140 words] | Janusz Kowalik | Jul 17, 2007 18:46 | | ↔ US and Israel should fully alert and fully cooperate with Right Wing Europeans [170 words] | Indu | Jul 22, 2007 03:35 | | ↔ How section of Indian Media is demonising Australian Police in order to appease muslims and pressurise Australians to release Islamist Doctor Haneef [1183 words] | Narkeey | Jul 22, 2007 13:41 | | ↔ Beware of Islam. [131 words] | surj | Jul 26, 2007 11:08 | | ↔ the way of living [239 words] | sajjad abasi | Aug 1, 2007 23:52 | | ↔ Rise of Taliban in East Pakistan ( Bangladesh ) [971 words] | Sumon | Aug 2, 2007 07:47 | | ↔ Different NAME with the same AIM of ISLAMISATION everywhere [162 words] | Bunnak | Aug 3, 2007 13:50 | | ↔ Pakistani Journalist exposes Red Mosque Mullah's close ties with Pakistani Intelligence Agencies and Army [1898 words] | Javed | Aug 3, 2007 14:30 | | ↔ Honestly tell us who is motivating Pakistanis towards Radicalisation, Talibanisation, Islamism, Terrorism ? [97 words] | Tommy | Aug 21, 2007 14:39 | A Classic Omission [w/response] [21 words] | Bernared I. Murstein | Jul 17, 2007 18:27 | | ↔ Another method [70 words] | Vijay | Jul 28, 2007 08:47 | | Another and important incident [149 words] | Rick | Jul 17, 2007 18:00 | | Draping Green and White Flags over the Red Mosque [467 words] | M. Tovey | Jul 17, 2007 17:23 | | ↔ Lets praise Pakistani Talent to fool the Western Leaders. [76 words] | Samir | Jul 24, 2007 08:44 | | ↔ Commendation: Order of the Red Mosque [197 words] | M. Tovey | Jul 24, 2007 19:08 | | Al Q Leadership? [21 words] | infosifter | Jul 17, 2007 17:22 | | Imagine [265 words] | dfwhite19438 | Jul 17, 2007 16:20 | | ↔ Every Muslim is a Jundallah or Soldier of Allah [980 words] | Khako | Jul 24, 2007 07:47 | | ↔ yes, my first comments [10 words] | mz ravin black | May 28, 2008 16:23 | | Reminds me of both MOVE sieges [69 words] | Dan Schwartz | Jul 17, 2007 13:02 | | Terrorism has been successful [148 words] | Charles Gruenspan | Jul 17, 2007 11:48 | | STOP BUILDING THAT MOSQUE!!!! [43 words] | Jorge Cordova | Jul 17, 2007 11:17 | | ↔ These mosques are hideouts for Fifth Column enemies of USA [26 words] | David | Jul 24, 2007 13:57 | | ↔ CLOSE THESE BUNKERS !!! [55 words] | Jorge Cordova | Jul 25, 2007 03:13 | | ↔ Red Mosque in rebellion:A reply to Jorge Cordova [328 words] | Jaisingh Thakur | Jul 29, 2007 01:51 | | ↔ More Devoted Muslim is a More Deadly Terrorist [292 words] | Markus | Aug 2, 2007 06:12 | | ↔ Islam is not a true Religion , but Infact it is a deadly cult of Terror , Arson , Rape , Bloodshed , Massacres , Forced Conversions and Death ! [93 words] | Eric | Aug 2, 2007 06:28 | | ↔ There is no Moderate Muslim Country or Successful Islamic Democracy [1039 words] | Caroline | Aug 3, 2007 08:56 | ↔ Danielpipes & Caroline please update the situation of undemocratic situation in Muslim World. [w/response] [148 words] | Upananda Brahmachari | Feb 27, 2009 04:42 |
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