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Tovey: Judaism, Islam and Christianity and Iconoclasm and converting the "heathens" to follow the true God?

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Submitted by dhimmi no more (United States), Oct 20, 2020 at 14:31

This post is addressed to those of us that are infidels or kuffar so you have been forewarned.

Islam has been blamed for the Byzantine empire's destructive Εκονομαχια or Εκων κλάω or Iconoclasm of the 8th and 9th century AD. Could it be that the Byzantines and later on the Protestants in Europe were just imitating Islam and the idea of the "no graven image" which is clearly borrowed by Muhammad from Judaism?

It is very surprising that the Qur'an mentions that Sulayman was building temples with Tamathil (statues) and it seems that Allah was OK with it. Also, members of the Umayyads, the earliest dynasty of Islam, lived in lavish "villas" that resembled Roman villas with mosaics and "images and statues" of naked men and women. Things changed in the Abbasid's period when orthodoxy became the norm and it could very well be because of what is called الاسراءليات or the Jewish traditions external to the Tanakh, that were incorporated into the Qur'an (as in the case of Q5:32 which is clearly from the Talmud). It seems that Muslim Rabbis (the Jews that converted to Islam) brought to their new religion the likes of the "no graven image." Muslims were just imitating the now hated الاسراءليات and it certainly helped that the God of Islam had no like for idolatry.

So it seems to me that it was Judaism that was the starting point for the no graven image and not Islam

More? Converting the "heathens" by the invading Spaniards in Mesoamerica and the Christian imitation of the Islamic Ayat al-Sayf or the infamous 9:5 and to paraphrase: "convert to Christianity or you will be killed by the sword because you are a heathen." This must have happened in Spain where Christians under Islam became aware that "holy wars" do work and indeed the invasion of Mesoamerica was a form of Christian Jihad.

But where did this come from? Could it be that the likes of the Jewish revolt of 115-117 AD was just an example of what is really a holy war and the aim was to destroy the "Hellens" or the pagans and get them to follow the true God and it was just another tradition from الاسراءليات and it passed onto Islam by the Muslim Rabbis? So it seems to me that the starting point could well have been Judaism passing on to Islam and then to Christianity?

Nothing is simple in history.

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