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666, Jerusalem and Ludicrous Speed

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Submitted by Michael S (United States), Jan 14, 2018 at 14:23

I'm not sure I understand this exchange.

Dajjal: Consider the conquest of Constantinople: how long did it take and how many attempts? More than 100 years and 5 tries wasn't it? What makes you hope Israel will got off easy?

Pipes: How long did it take for Christians to get back Spain? For Jews to get back Israel?

Answering Daniel Pipes' question is fairly easy: The Muslim conquest of Spain began in AD 711, and Granada was re-conquered in 1492. Answer: 781 years. The Jews lost Israel in 63 BC, and regained sovereignty over Jerusalem in 1967. Answer: 2,029 years.

If Pipes' question-answering question was in direct response to what Dajjal said, he may have been talking about the actual siege of the capital. The conquest of the Spanish capital was a bit complicated:

"The disintegration of the taifa of Toledo occurred piecemeal over a number of years. Ismail al-Zahir held the throne until 1043, fighting for his independence against Córdoba. He was succeeded by Al-Mamun, who asked Ferdinand I of León and Castile for assistance against Al-Mustain I of the taifa of Zaragoza; twenty years later Toledo was attacked by Ferdinand himself, and was forced to pay tribute to escape the menace. When in 1061 Abd al-Malik ben Abd al-Aziz al-Mansur, ruler of the taifa of Valencia, was attacked by Ferdinand, he sued for support from Al-Mamun, but the latter took advantage of the situation to annex Valencia (1064) with the approval of the Christian king...

" Toledo officially and peacefully fell into Christian hands on 6 May 1085."

-- https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Taifa_of_Toledo

Therefore, it took some 42 years to finally, thoroughly and completely capture Toledo.

So, neither the capture of Constantinople, nor the fall of either Granada nor Toledo, were "easy". I suppose your answer to him, therefore, was, "You are wrong. I do not expect Israel to get off easy," or something like that. Cal Thomas seems to think it may take a while for the matter to be conclusively resolved:

https://townhall.com/columnists/calthomas/2017/12/07/memo-to-jared-kushner-n2418985

My take on the matter is that I THINK Jared Kushner MIGHT score a break-through concerning Israel and Jerusalem. This is based on what many think is an odd and even comical source, namely, the Bible. In my own opinion, it's foolish for people to think that way about the Middle East, in which EVERYTHING that happens seems to ultimately have a Biblical connection. Here goes my reasoning:

A deal of some sort is hinted at in the scriptures.

Daniel 9:
[25] Know therefore and understand, that from the going forth of the commandment to restore and to build Jerusalem unto the Messiah the Prince shall be seven weeks, and threescore and two weeks: the street shall be built again, and the wall, even in troublous times.
[26] And after threescore and two weeks shall Messiah be cut off, but not for himself: and the people of the prince that shall come shall destroy the city and the sanctuary; and the end thereof shall be with a flood, and unto the end of the war desolations are determined.
[27] AND HE SHALL CONFIRM THE COVENANT WITH MANY FOR ONE WEEK: and in the midst of the week he shall cause the sacrifice and the oblation to cease, and for the overspreading of abominations he shall make it desolate, even until the consummation, and that determined shall be poured upon the desolate.

I don't know what those "weeks" are about historically. If the "70 weeks" represents 490 years, as most commentators seem to believe, then the prophesy should have been settled and done with, some 2000 years ago. It was not, so most commentators I have heard of speak of some sort of bi-millennial "intermission", covering the majority of Jewish history.

I guess we should call this doctrine "Intermissionism". I have enough on my plate already, to want to get into discussions about such things. What concerns me, is that the "weeks" seem to end with a climactic "half week" of 3½ years. This is to be during a time that a world ruler (of which the US is the only candidate nowadays) would first "confirm the covenant with many" (which reads, to me, "Peace Agreement"), during which time the offerings and oblations at Har HaBait are restored; and then, after these offerings are suddnely caused to be stopped, a 3½ year period ensues during which "all hell" doesn't break loose, but certainly a good part of it.

If Jared Kushner, the "wonder child" of the Trump Presidency, who is charged not only with bringing peace to the Middle East but also with taking care of Korea and other countries, plus completely reorganizing the US Government, manages to get a peace agreement, there may very well be a domino effect -- an effect that could include the re-establishing of sacrifices and oblations on the Temple Mount.

Can Kushner do all this? The answer is PROBABLY not; but because it IS improbable, the young "Trump talker" could be deified in the mercurial media, and we would have a messiah on our hands: a messiah whose headquarters is at

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Fifth Avenue, New York City, a building that Kushner himself describes as being at the "Center of the World".

Daniel, please allow me that we live in truly hysterical times. You seem to hold out a very hopeful picture for the eternal continuation of the Liberal World Order. Would you grant me though, after some thought, that we could instead shift into LUDICROUS SPEED

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ygE01sOhzz0

in which case crazy things could happen? Like Trump becoming president? Like Oprah becoming president? Like Washington relocating to Hollywood? Of course, you know these things could happen and probably will.

All the best :-)

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