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Most 'Westerners' rightly "ashamed" of Communists and Nazis, but Muslim leaders _still_ admire them!

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Submitted by Fingers Lane (United Kingdom), Dec 16, 2015 at 15:17

Is the Muslim world really so "remotely" far away from devising anything as "evil" as Communism or Nazism?

Communism, Fascism and Nazism have all been greatly admired - and imitated - in the Muslim world, not least by the Ba'athist regimes in Iraq and Syria and the Islamic Republic of Iran.

David Pryce-Jones's layman's guide 'The Closed Circle: An Interpretation of the Arabs' (1989) includes two whole chapters dedicated specifically to the impact of Nazism and Communism on the Arab world.

In 1943, would I rather have been living in Germany or Iraq?

That depends if I had survived the1941 pro-Nazi coup in Iraq!

Of course, Haj Amin al-Husseini managed to escape to Berlin and even wrote a tract directly comapring Islam with Nazism in an attempt to encourage more Muslims to support the Nazis on the basis of their many eerie ideological similarities.

What makes the Judaeo-Christian 'West' better than the Muslim world is that many forms of abuse and discrimination have been identified and denounced as morally wrong, which remain acceptable or even encouraged elsewhere - especially in the Muslim world.

Communism and Nazism are notable for being explicitly atheist and specifically anti-Christian and anti-Jewish. No wonder that Himmler and Hitler admired Islam so much!

"As a historian", you have to go back to the seventeenth century to find a time when Jews preferred Muslim rule to Christian rule as the lesser of two evils. That started to change a long time before 1945!

Also, I don't think there were may Jews fleeing Christian rule and seeking Muslim protection in the years immediately following AD 622! Massacre, expulsion or forced conversion were the only choices that Mohammed gave the Jews of Arabia.

Yes, things can change over time, but things can also stay the same - especially if they are sanctified by a violent and oppressive religion.

So, do we have to wait _another_ 300 years until we are allowed to criticise Muslim governments for not following the 'West' in granting legal equality to religious minorities (and women)?

Do we have to wait until Muslim regimes have killed as many millions of people as the Communists and the Nazis until we are allowed to denounce them and resist them?

Should we really be encouraged if - over the next 40 years - the Muslim world manages to get back to the levels of peace and prosperity it supposedly enjoyed back in 1969, of all years?

Is Golden Dawn really an 'atrocity' against 'West civilisation'?

Or just an ugly and eccentric reactionary movement in one small country that has never thrown off the corruption and sectarianism engendered by 400 years of Islamic imperial rule and now finds itself the slave colony of an atheistic centralised socialist super state?

Last I heard, all the Golden Dawn MPs we being held in prison wiithout charge. So, they are hardly poised to sieze power like the Bolsheviks, Fascists, Nazis and countless Muslim demagogues before them.

If we have to keep going back to World War Two for our historical analogies, then it is worth pointing out that Winston Churchill was not embarrassed about referring to the Allied war effort as the defence of "Christian civilisation" or about comparing 'Mein Kampf' to the Koran.

(Geert Wilders - since you mention him - took special pleasure in quoting Churchill's denunciations of Islam when the British government finllay lifted their travel ban on Mr. Wilders visiting the U.K.)

Would remarks like Churchill's now be blocked from 'Comment' submissions to Daniel Pipes.org for "disparaging" a religion?

Yet more 'Western' self-flagellation just helps Muslims to deflect attention away from the many abhorrent teachings and practices of Islam. Western self-criticism has never encouraged Muslim self-criticism, only yet more self-righteous Muslim pride and condemnation of the 'West'.

So we should keep confronting Muslims with the reality of their own religion until more Muslims develop enough conscience and responsibility to make positive changes - instead of just living in denial and blaming everyone else.

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Daniel Pipes replies:

"'As a historian,' you have to go back to the seventeenth century to find a time when Jews preferred Muslim rule to Christian rule as the lesser of two evils. That started to change a long time before 1945!"

What about the German Jews who fled to Turkey in the 1930s?

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