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Submitted by alessandro albore (Italy), Aug 29, 2010 at 07:36

In 1949, the Pope of Rome-the famous Pius XII-wanted to become an international Jerusalem area. Not the capital of Israel, and the UN has established of Palestine.

This is the content of a letter from the Pope to his bishops and priests in the Encyclical of Pope Pius XII, on holy places in Palestine, issued "strangely", a good Friday:
Redemptoris Nostri

http://www.vatican.va/holy_father/pius_xii/encyclicals/documents/hf_p-xii_enc_15041949_redemptoris-nostri-cruciatus_en.htm

With the international agreement that the Pope was promoting in 1949, finally will be implemented by the United Nations.

Most likely after pressure from the so-called Quartet, led by an Anglican transformed a royalist than, Tony Blair, the Pope of Rome will have a key role in training and international regulation of this area, which will take the Temple Mount in the middle.

The only "ghost" nation of planet Earth:

"The sovereign military order Hospital of St. John of Jerusalem of Rhodes and of Malta, commonly abbreviated as sovereign military order of Malta or even just in the order of Malta, in abbreviation SMOM, is a religious order dependent on the Holy See welfare purposes, recognized by part of the doctrine, followed by the Italian case law and by much of the international community as a subject of international law, although they are standard-bearers of territoriality requirement."
From:

http://www.orderofmalta.org/diplomatic-relations/862/bilateral-relations-with-countries/?lang=en

Practically a ghost, that nation has diplomatic relations with 104 Nations, but NOT "strangely" with Israel.

Eloquent quote made "some" years ago:

"The Knights of Malta are the militia of the Pope, and are sworn to total obedience by a blood oath which is taken extremely seriously and to the death. The Pope as the head of the Vatican is also the head of a foreign national power. "

Encyclopedia of Freemasonry and Its Kindred Sciences "by Albert g. Mackey 33rd degree Mason, published by the Masonic History Company, Chicago, New York & London, 1925: (Volume One, pp. 392-95)

They deny that they have been replaced by the Jewish State.

This order was a Catholic organization that began as an Amalfitan hospital founded in Jerusalem in about 1080 to provide care for pilgrims poor, sick or injured persons in the Holy land.
From 1917 onwards, the order of Malta has supported the British occupation of the Holy land. The order was able to do so because the King of England is also a protector of the brothers of the order. As part of the British occupation, the Bishop of the Anglican Church became the religious leader in Jerusalem.
That Jews are back in their promised land, in 1948, was a punch in the eye of the order of Malta.

Is no longer, order Roman could claim to be the true "defender of the Holy Land".
From now on, the promised land was protected by the Zionist State.
The quiet agreement among the brethren of the Zionist State order: This has to be forced to abandon his supreme control above the Earth that from the time of the Crusades was a property of a man who claims to be the vicar of Christ, the Pope of Rome.

If you can still see the true motivations between the «peace» between Islam and Rome, you are so blind that probably nothing can help you open your eyes.
Men who defend the Holy Roman Empire.
The Roman Empire was a Union territories in Central Europe during the middle ages and the modern period under an emperor.
Under the principle of "metaphorical imperii", the Holy Roman Emperor himself is regarded as the successor of the former Roman Empire.
The first emperor of the Holy Roman Empire was crowned in 962. The last was Francesco II, who abdicated and dissolved the Empire in 1806 during the Napoleonic wars. Officially was known as the Holy Roman Empire of German nation.
Adolf Hitler wanted to create the third «Holy Roman Empire». As the Messianic age which is about to endure for 1000 years, the Nazi leader has promoted an empire that to last for 1000 years.
Hitler was a very religious man.
He thought he was the Savior of mankind.
This is why he wrote ' Gott mit uns "there was only a problem in the theory, that Hitler has faced: the Jews.

Just like the Popes in the middle ages, Hitler murdered Jews and believed that he did a good thing for God:

"NT, John 16: 1 I have said these things because not scandalizzarvi.
16: 2 Vi scacceranno synagogues; indeed, it is a time to kill anyone who decides to worship God. "

The Holy Catholic Church has always been religious tool for the Holy Roman Empire. From the first, during the reign of the Emperor of Rome, Constantine the great, at last.

We shall now proceed to the agreements signed between the Vatican and Israel:

Article 11.

1. the Holy See and the State of Israel declare their commitment to the promotion of peaceful resolution of conflicts between States and Nations, with the exclusion of violence and terror by international life.

2. the Holy See, without prejudice to the right to exercise its moral and spiritual Magisterium, considers it appropriate to recall that, by reason of his own character, is solemnly committed to remain unconnected to any purely temporal conflict; this principle applies specifically to Territories played and borders not defined.

Article 12.

The Holy See and the State of Israel will continue in good faith negotiation in accordance with the Agenda agreed in Jerusalem on 151uglio 1992 and confirmed at the Vatican on July 29, 1992; the same applies to those points that emerge from the articles of this agreement, and for other items as bilaterally agreed points of negotiation.

As if to say: "if we massacred among you, we wash our hands" you say right, is part of the so-called "political correct", as Pilato did.

Which things Islam and religion papal have in common?
More than likely readers are aware.

Both see the Holy land as occupied by Zionists.
None of them have Jerusalem as current centre of their religion.
Both need to move their throne of authority in Jerusalem to overcome the Jews.
Islam has the lack of a throne.
Muslims bow basically to worship in front of an empty throne.
The Pope has a throne.
Catholics visiting the Vatican for a bow, to kiss the ring of the fisherman, or fall on their face and worship him.
Islam has no central leader that can bring together.

After that the Pope has already accepted that Islam is a part of the plan of God to save humanity, Islam will be able to accept the Pope, as the Prince of peace.
Shia and Sunni are United for the first time and collected in the new papal throne in universal rock Temple in Jerusalem.
But the papal throne must be put towards the South within the dome of the rock. Towards Mecca. Otherwise, Muslims do not lean towards the throne.

The papal throne is nothing new to the Church.
It was last seen in 1978 with Pope Luciani.
Now back again to the old tradition, it is used by the current Pope.
John Paul II had chosen not to use a throne and so he sat in memory and then in the Lateran Palace Museum, Yes, but until December 2006, when was brought again to the use of the Pope.
In the Catholic Church, the Pope is infallible when he sits on his throne or Chair, when immersed in questions about moral and true understanding of Scripture.
How will the Papal Throne to be moved from Rome to Jerusalem?
What they think or discuss the Vatican and Islam, when they met for inter-religious dialogue?
They have already agreed on the most important issues: 1. the Holy Land is occupied by Zionists and must be released.
2. both the Catholic Church that Islam are included in the plan of God to save humanity, since both are the children of g-d of Abraham.
3. all religions are expressing some truth about g-d and must be included to make an image satisfied of the creator.
4. Jesus is the son of Mary.
5. world peace will be the first stream out of Jerusalem when the three main religions present are able to live in peace and together as one voice and to offer prayers in Interfaith of G-d.
How can a Muslim pray in any other direction than in Mecca?
This is a good question. First let me say that there are still some issues that the two main religions are not entered into the agreement. For this they maintain their dialogue.
But the challenges related to the question has been answered.
In 2006, the Pope has entered the Blue Mosque in Istanbul. There he joined his Muslim brothers in prayer. Some Catholics say that the Pontiff meditated alone, my view is that the head of the religion of the Vatican has prayed or meditated in the direction of Mecca, with Muslims who have prayed in the name of Allah.
When it is moved to the papal throne in Jerusalem, Muslims will pray towards Mecca to the papal throne, so there should be no more problems for Muslims and Catholics to pray together.
And where they will pray together?
The new Catholic-Muslim unity is the opportunity to discuss concrete solutions before the last solution can be reached as a final agreement.
As it is better to move to renew the temple rock without disrupting the Government of Israel?
Where will the Mullas and Cardinals during the prayer service?
What will the level of the papal throne? Stara on the floor, or should be high?
And in whose name will be prayed together?
They'll probably and officially prayers to Allah in the name of "Jesus son of Mary '. For the sake of world peace, both parties are willing to compromise.
In their opinion, there is only one God, and how to pronounce his name isn't so important. Especially now, when peace and their brotherhood is at stake. Even the President Ahmadinejad believes in the return of Jesus. He will say to Christians and Jews of turn toward God.
You agree to make the Pope, the new leader of the new universal religion of all faiths who wear the same God?
This is the easiest answer.
As in the time of Eliah, he calls the fire from the sky.
Even Muslims know who is the boss, when the fire shall fall from heaven.
This is the trick, clear and "papalmente" said.
The current Pope is old to engage and motivate young people, and there are no miracles nor wonders. But the next elected Pope could be a charismatic young, a colleague of Muslims.

The bet is this: he will be born to a Muslim nation, who will welcome in the Islamic world. "Solid and wonders" reconfirms her messages, as Christian-Muslim eschatology by some ...
Rome has already a plan to move the Papal Rome headquarters from Jerusalem as its capital. Welcomed by Islam and the secular humanist Judaism, he will begin to direct from a temple international just furnished.
Hopes were rises between the enemies of Israel when the Pope he used in his visit to Israel for more pressure from the Government of Netanyahu to surrender on Jewish historical lands.

But the Pope is trustworthy?
On 14 May 1999 a delegation of Christian and Muslim leaders from Iraq visited the Holy Father in Rome, GP II. A Muslim representative brought the Holy Quran, and the Pope has kissed ahead of all participants.
The Christian Canon of the new testament of the Hebrew Bible, the book, has been closed for more than 1500 years .... ....
The Pope recognizes the Quran as a true revelation from g-d.

I guess many Zionists of Torah, Jewish believers and a few other Zionists will battle not committed until the end without a fight?

Christians, Islamists, fake Jews:
"Dear friends". Outputs from there.
Not take part of their evil deeds of darkness against the Jewish people.

" The brain's washing begin from the cradle "

Arthur Koestler

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