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Submitted by Charles Martel (United States), Jul 21, 2009 at 17:33

Although I agree with Point 1 (we will get out of there in pointless defeat more quickly than under McCain or other GOP), I didn't see a reasonable victory plan with reasonably available resources.

Point 2, although I HATE Obama and most of what he stands for, even I can't blame him for something like Iraq that he inherited. If he gets out as quickly as consistent with "not a rout", I can only shrug and say "it was still Bush's fault that we were there."

Point 3: We completely agree "Bush could not succeed in Iraq, neither will Obama" -- but that is not an indictment of Obama because he didn't get us in there (cf. point 2 above).

Point 4: I would have thought ... more intuition about historians than to say they will blame Obama more than Bush even if it were objectively true. It was Bush's folly -- even I as an ultrarightwinger can see that -- and the mainstream leftist historians will never blame Obama over Bush. It is somewhat akin mutatis mutandis to LBJ-Nixon-Vietnam.

Point 5: I don't think getting out of Iraq is ever going to be seen as a mistake by the swing voters whose minds might be changed

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Iraq and Iran [100 words]stanley bMar 28, 2012 08:28194827
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I'm confounded by Dr. Pipe's predictions [207 words]Charles MartelJul 21, 2009 17:33159131
Iraqi politicians lied/dissembled/spun...Just as Obama is doing in the US [39 words]M.D.Jul 20, 2009 20:44159082
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