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Reader comment on item: Is Turkey's Government Starting a Muslim Reformation?
in response to reader comment: Barbarian Turk here again!
Submitted by Ianus (Poland), Jun 6, 2008 at 15:08
sims1 wrote : "I think this is getting pretty futile as you really have only a superficial understanding of Turkish politics back then and now. First, Ataturk was not a jihadist. He did everything he could to push religion away from public life later in his career."
Of course , he was a jihadist and a major one at that! The Kemalist war of 1919-1922 was essentially an Islamic war of religion to exterminate the Christians in which he succeeded more than any of his Ottoman or Seljuk predecessors. Or what does his title "ghazi" stand for? "A holy secularist" perhaps? Anyway, the crucial point in your reply is "later" as what he did later had little to do with his earlier acts and words. Kemal himself LATER did much to suppress the overwhelming evidence of his jihadist past and exploits.
Beside being a bloody military dictator he was also the bossy head of the 'Turkish Historical Society' and so he could manipulate not just the present but also to a large extent the past. So now something which is obvious and historically irrefutable looks paradoxical, incredible and overstretched. "No, it's impossible! How could this "staunch father and prophet of Turkishness and of Turkish secularism be denigrated as a pure Moslem and a bloody warrior in Allah's path?" -someone may exclaim.
And yet, he did save the Turkish dar-al-Islam from the kafiri threat. He entered the path of Allah that made him "gazi"- a proud arch-jihadist, the Destroyer of Christians , the one who conducts "gazw" - the prophet's war" (="jihad"). Even a superficial analysis of the extant materials shows that the cheap slogans so eagerly bought and spread by some gullible Western "experts" on his innate secularism just mislead the historical lineage of Kemalism. a/ The whole Kemalist movement started as a strictly Islamic movement.
Kemal relied on the most backward, conservative, fanatical illiterate elements in Eastern Anatolia. The Grand National Assemby was opened on Friday with solemn prayers in the Grand Mosque in Ankara with turbans, ramadhan fasting, pan-Islamic slogans, with envoys to and from the Islamic lands, particularly Bristish India and Northy Africa where Islamic Kemalism gained much support and sympathy at its early stage. After all pious Kemal waged a war against the powerful and so hated Christians, the traditional mortal enemies of Islam. A remarkable contemporary report from NYT of November 25, 1920 "Kemal and Soviet plan to free Islam" available on the net sheds some light on the obscure and so important issue : http://query.nytimes.com/mem/archive-free/pdf?_r=1&res=9A01E6DC163CE533A25756C2A9679D946195D6CF&oref=slogin b/
Now let's look at some old Turkish pictures now. http://www.ataturktoday.com/Resim/Album/Fotograflar.htm
The one that reads in Turkish "Atatürk Türk Ordusuna destek olan Sivas Kadısı Hasbi Efendi ve Şeyh Fevzi Efendilerle" is particularly intreresting as it means : "the Buttress (‘destek') of the Turkish troops of Ataturk(sic!) were the qadi of Sivas Hasbi effendi and Sheikh Fevzi effendi." The two don't look quite secular, do they? Or how about the one "Atatürk (sic!) attends a prayer ceremony in front of the Governor's residence" or this one "Mustafa Kemal praying in front of the Grand National Assembly building"?
[ This picture is better visible at http://www.ataturktoday.com/Resim/Foto1/r34.jpg
Such arresting poses of the great and staunch "secularist" are hardly known in the West , let alone in Turkey. The head of the Turkish Historical Society was careful enough to mould the past in his own later image. c/ Let's quote the Turkish National anthem written by Mehmet Akif Ersoy , a Kemalist from the beginning of the movement and a Quranic scholar who later , when the unexpected winds of "secularism" commenced blowing across Anatolia, had to flee Turkey and settled down in less secular Cairo.
His "Independence March" ("İstiklâl Marşı") was officially adopted on March 12, 1921 – long before Kemal's love-affair with secularism - as the Turkish National Anthem. What does this anthem say? Even though the Turks tend to sing just the two first stanzas the most useful part starts with the thrid one! It is as with everything a Turk says. The most interesting part is that a Turk keeps silent about. But we can't do him a favour if we want to learn anything relevant:
The Turkish National Anthem teaches us i.al. that "The lands of the West may be armored with walls of steel, But I have borders guarded by the mighty chest of a believer. Recognize your innate strength, my friend! And think: how can this fiery faith ever be killed, By that battered, single-fanged monster you call "civilization"? (...) You're the noble son of a martyr (şüheda=shahid) , take shame, hurt not your ancestor! Unhand not, even when you're promised worlds, this paradise of a homeland. What man would not die for this heavenly piece of land? Martyrs would gush out were one to just squeeze the soil! Martyrs May Allah take all my loved ones and possessions from me if He will, But may He not deprive me of my one true homeland for the world. Oh glorious Allah, the sole wish of my pain-stricken heart is that, No kafir's hand should ever touch the bosom of my sacred mosques.
These adhans, whose shahadahs are the foundations of my religion, And may their noble sound last loud and wide over my eternal homeland. For only then, shall my fatigued tombstone, if there is one, prostrate a thousand times in ecstasy, And tears of fiery blood shall flow out of my every wound, And my lifeless body shall gush out from the earth like an eternal spirit, Perhaps only then, shall I peacefully ascend and at long last reach the heavens. So flap and wave like the bright dawning sky, oh thou glorious crescent, So that our every last drop of blood may finally be worthy! Neither you nor my race shall ever be extinguished! For freedom is the absolute right of my ever-free flag; For freedom is the absolute right of my Allah-worshiping nation!"
All sounds quite so unambiguously Islamic - Allah, shahids, going to Allah's heaven, hatred of the West, contempt for the kafirs ...All sounds as if published in Saudi Arabia or in the Palestinian Autonomy today, doesn't it ? d/ As to the Kemalist flag, it is identical with the old jihadist flag of the Ottomans. The reason for the presrvation of this flag seems obvious. e/ Whenever the Turks attacked in this war, their battle cry was : "Allah! Allah!" It is what they fought for and what inspired them!
The army had imams, daily prayers, ablutions and all Islamic characteritics. e/ Also the destruction of Smyrna looks like a 100% jihadist tradition – three days' looting, raping, decapitating, torturing in a conquered kafiri city. Otherwise what logic did our Gazi or Allah's warrior pursue destroying a prosperous and intact city while the inland lay in ruins, most elementary commodities were scarce or unavailable? If it had been no jihad, why wasn't Smyrna just occupied, the inhabitants shipped and expelled?
But mass slaughters, bestialities, burning alive people in their churches, desecrating with particular rage Christian symbols and priests, martyrdom of the Metropolitan bishop of Smyrna Chrysostomos all fit in the logic of jihad. Yes, it all looks too much like Constantinople in 1453 , doesn't it? In short as the Russian historian A. Lyalkina put it : "Whatever Kema's views on religion, his war was a war of religion , a jihad". Hence what our sims1 in his holy ignorance writes: "You won't find a serious historian who would claim him to be a jihadist." is really funny. If he means "a Turkish historian", he is right. Any Turkish paper which would publish the above, any historian in Turkey who would expose Kemal's jihadism, would be at once prosecuted and the rage of Turkish thought police would smash him.
The truth is that though not a single serious and honest historian of Gazi Mustafa Kemal Pasha can overlook this funny and yet so instructive story of how a holy warrior of Allah turned the apostle of "secularism". It's one of the Big Lies that modern Turkey is founded upon.
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This is racial [30 words] | Vijay | Mar 13, 2013 23:32 | 131467 | ||
This is racial by Vijay [86 words] | s.p.attri | Mar 14, 2013 20:52 | 131467 | ||
Grewal [30 words] | Gurminder singh grewal | Jan 18, 2014 11:36 | 131467 | ||
Reply to questions of Mr. Grewal [311 words] | s.p.attri | Jan 22, 2014 22:56 | 131467 | ||
Twisted truths and ignored facts ... [344 words] | Humble truths | Apr 1, 2016 09:54 | 131467 | ||
Time limitations of birth-religionisn 2020-2024 [109 words] | Ramesh V. Sheth | Aug 20, 2016 11:27 | 131467 | ||
Narendra Modiji supported oneness of religion per his letter to me [32 words] | Ramesh V. Sheth | Aug 20, 2016 11:38 | 131467 | ||
| Scripture is not historically relative [262 words] | Peter Herz | Jun 6, 2008 16:29 | 131328 | ||
Translation of the Bible [37 words] | Straight_Talk_Luigi | Jun 15, 2008 12:29 | 131328 | ||
| Khalid Sheikh Mohammed and Reformation [200 words] | Rich Buckley, Pres | Jun 6, 2008 11:39 | 131307 | ||
| Secularism Vs Democracy [71 words] | Syed Kasim | Jun 6, 2008 10:21 | 131297 | ||
answer to syeid Kasim [93 words] | zisan sumer | Jun 14, 2008 06:58 | 131297 | ||
| Islamic Reformation [139 words] | George E. Rittenhouse | Jun 4, 2008 13:58 | 131100 | ||
turkey is a secular country for 85 years [138 words] | Zisan Sumer | Jun 14, 2008 07:13 | 131100 | ||
| 3 | "Secular Islam" and "grass-eating carnivores" [355 words] | Ianus | Jun 21, 2008 14:00 | 131100 | |
| the crux of the matter [186 words] | Rebecca Moulds | Jun 3, 2008 16:32 | 131007 | ||
right!! [183 words] | mohammed | Jun 5, 2008 07:24 | 131007 | ||
| 1 | Our dear Mohammed the ultimate victim of Arabian imperialism [454 words] | dhimmi no more | Jun 8, 2008 06:50 | 131007 | |
to mohammed [95 words] | kafur | Jun 8, 2008 14:04 | 131007 | ||
Jesus the son of God? [128 words] | baneeshkhan | Jun 9, 2008 02:00 | 131007 | ||
read the Scriptures [114 words] | Rebecca Moulds | Jun 9, 2008 22:20 | 131007 | ||
You missed a critical word [112 words] | Devasahayam | Jun 10, 2008 11:30 | 131007 | ||
"baneeshkhan" may be an alias for "nishi" [36 words] | Devasahayam | Jun 11, 2008 11:25 | 131007 | ||
faith must be backed by reasons [127 words] | baneeshkhan | Jun 12, 2008 11:32 | 131007 | ||
begotten and creation [220 words] | baneeshkhan | Jun 12, 2008 11:45 | 131007 | ||
misunderstood facts [85 words] | baneeshkhan | Jun 12, 2008 11:50 | 131007 | ||
Faith, Belief and Understanding [186 words] | Rebecca Moulds | Jun 12, 2008 22:49 | 131007 | ||
All you've proved is that you're not Nishi [110 words] | Devasahayam | Jun 13, 2008 08:28 | 131007 | ||
I will look for your response on Monday [43 words] | Devasahayam | Jun 13, 2008 08:47 | 131007 | ||
Be Careful [102 words] | Straight_Talk_Luigi | Jun 15, 2008 12:24 | 131007 | ||
So then why do some Muslims [61 words] | Straight_Talk_Luigi | Jun 15, 2008 12:35 | 131007 | ||
Paid Intellectuals Simons, Devasahayams & Infidels [866 words] | Nishi | Jun 16, 2008 01:13 | 131007 | ||
we are enough intelligent [127 words] | baneeshkhan | Jun 16, 2008 01:15 | 131007 | ||
not from quran [59 words] | baneeshkhan | Jun 16, 2008 01:20 | 131007 | ||
BJP may get the power back [12 words] | baneeshkhan | Jun 16, 2008 01:22 | 131007 | ||
Graffiti writers never disclose their identity as Devasahayam, Simon and Infidel are doing [138 words] | NISHI | Jun 16, 2008 08:14 | 131007 | ||
| 4 | quran said don't ask questions [121 words] | BTILLY | Jun 16, 2008 10:30 | 131007 | |
read the history [110 words] | baneeshkhan | Jun 17, 2008 02:31 | 131007 | ||
read the history please [135 words] | baneeshkhan | Jun 17, 2008 02:38 | 131007 | ||
quran always said to think [110 words] | baneeshkhan | Jun 17, 2008 02:43 | 131007 | ||
No chance of BJP federal return [108 words] | Devasahayam | Jun 17, 2008 08:12 | 131007 | ||
If you're as "intelligent" as you claim [24 words] | Devasahayam | Jun 17, 2008 12:02 | 131007 | ||
Nishi, some possibilities [109 words] | Infidel | Jun 17, 2008 20:31 | 131007 | ||
why think then [57 words] | btilly | Jun 18, 2008 22:09 | 131007 | ||
baneeshkan [112 words] | btilly | Jun 18, 2008 22:35 | 131007 | ||
faith and reasons [89 words] | alex | Aug 6, 2008 07:45 | 131007 | ||
the truth about jesus christ [167 words] | rajid | Apr 1, 2009 03:15 | 131007 | ||
| Theology gets people Killed [672 words] | Lame Cherry | Jun 3, 2008 14:31 | 131000 | ||
Your reference to Edomites [136 words] | Devasahayam | Jun 4, 2008 11:07 | 131000 | ||
| ISLAM IS IRREFORMABLE [306 words] | V. RAJAGOPALAN | Jun 3, 2008 04:14 | 130957 | ||
Speaking without knowledge [63 words] | Sawood Mungur | Jun 9, 2008 01:12 | 130957 | ||
| Interesting [41 words] | Taj | Jun 2, 2008 03:48 | 130856 | ||
| Great Effort [21 words] | Eyad Harfoush | Jun 1, 2008 18:43 | 130821 | ||
| CHANGES TO THE HADITHS [102 words] | JACQUES HADIDA | May 29, 2008 22:00 | 130509 | ||
| 2 | Islam welcomes you to the 15th century. [79 words] | Ianus | May 31, 2008 17:53 | 130509 | |
Eh, not that far [32 words] | Devasahayam | Jun 2, 2008 09:16 | 130509 | ||
It may be 15th century by Muslim calendar but... [18 words] | Devasahayam | Jun 2, 2008 11:30 | 130509 | ||
| 1 | Islam welcomes you to the 7th century. [62 words] | Ianus | Jun 3, 2008 09:12 | 130509 | |
So what [216 words] | Nowhereman | Jun 12, 2008 16:04 | 130509 | ||
| 4 | "Idiots needed!" or Moslems for tolerance [1204 words] | Ianus | Jun 13, 2008 17:37 | 130509 | |
Ouch... [485 words] | Nowhereman | Jun 14, 2008 20:20 | 130509 | ||
| 2 | Question to every moderate Moslem - "How many gods does Allah allow to live next to himself?" [1221 words] | Ianus | Jun 17, 2008 10:07 | 130509 | |
Infantile [253 words] | Nowhereman | Jun 18, 2008 20:07 | 130509 | ||
| 1 | Taming a rabid dog by throwing flowers at it. [843 words] | Ianus | Jun 20, 2008 10:14 | 130509 | |
| 1 | It's not only Turkey's Problem ! [272 words] | Hamdy Mohamed Al-Barassy | May 29, 2008 11:42 | 130461 | |
thank you for your comment [124 words] | Zisan Sumer | Jun 14, 2008 06:52 | 130461 | ||
| Very informative [259 words] | Amitabh Tripathi | May 28, 2008 11:32 | 130322 | ||
Reform or Transform [115 words] | Mansoor | Jun 2, 2008 09:15 | 130322 | ||
As an idealist concept [84 words] | fido | Jun 3, 2008 14:57 | 130322 | ||
| 1 | Our dear mansoor and the religion of the Arabs [534 words] | dhimmi no more | Jun 8, 2008 07:21 | 130322 | |
| 17 | Hi Mansoor, Here you are! ISLAMIC RITUALS - POOR COPIES OF HINDUISM [650 words] | Proud Indian | Jun 10, 2008 10:52 | 130322 | |
Actually Islam composite of poor copies [414 words] | Devasahayam | Jun 11, 2008 13:10 | 130322 | ||
Stony hearts [721 words] | Mansoor | Jun 12, 2008 09:35 | 130322 | ||
Islamic rituals mean nothing [267 words] | The Grand Infidel of Kaffiristan | Jun 12, 2008 23:28 | 130322 | ||
| 3 | Mansoor & BIG FATWA ON HIM FOR DECLARING MUSLIMS DONT WORSHIP KAABA!!! [687 words] | Proud Indian | Jun 13, 2008 02:52 | 130322 | |
Good points, Grand Infidel! [146 words] | Devasahayam | Jun 16, 2008 09:38 | 130322 | ||
Hello Mansoor & a BIG FATWA FROM MUSLIMS ON YOU FOR SAYING THAT MUSLIMS DONT WORSHIP KAABA [991 words] | Proud Indian | Jun 18, 2008 04:33 | 130322 | ||
Still clouded intellects [256 words] | Mansoor | Jun 19, 2008 07:02 | 130322 | ||
Hi mansoor, CONTRADICTING KORAN IS BAD, YOU SHOULD KNOW THAT [339 words] | Proud Indian | Jun 20, 2008 04:11 | 130322 | ||
Bugs of your Mind [403 words] | Mansoor | Jun 21, 2008 05:08 | 130322 | ||
An article by a victim [51 words] | The Grand Infidel of Kaffiristan | Jun 22, 2008 19:34 | 130322 | ||
Mansoor, Contradictions in the verses which you quote yourself!!! ENJOY!!!! [724 words] | Proud Indian | Jun 23, 2008 00:13 | 130322 | ||
| 2 | Muslim atrocities on those killed or defeated in combat [254 words] | Devasahayam | Jun 27, 2008 13:48 | 130322 | |
Wild Barks [362 words] | Mansoor | Jul 1, 2008 02:08 | 130322 | ||
Mansoor's Islamic Phobias [531 words] | Proud Indian | Jul 9, 2008 14:09 | 130322 | ||
Religion [48 words] | Abdullah mansoor | Mar 27, 2014 23:12 | 130322 | ||
the truth [15 words] | Jay | Aug 5, 2014 16:25 | 130322 | ||
| Does John Lewis even now anything about Turkey at all? [224 words] | sims01 | May 28, 2008 10:15 | 130306 | ||
He knows what counts [126 words] | Alain Jean-Mairet | May 29, 2008 03:37 | 130306 | ||
Assuming John Lewis is D-GA (5th Distt) [6 words] | Devasahayam | May 29, 2008 12:27 | 130306 | ||
| Muslim Reformation, or Resident Evil IV? [18 words] | DrRJP | May 26, 2008 14:21 | 130055 | ||
| Is Turkey's Government starting reformation or developing a marketing strategy to sell Sharia? [66 words] | Krista | May 25, 2008 20:03 | 129955 | ||
Muslim Reformation [330 words] | K.H. Ahmed | May 26, 2008 08:31 | 129955 | ||
Sharia [23 words] | Krista | May 27, 2008 07:50 | 129955 | ||
Krista, pork banned [54 words] | Infidel | May 27, 2008 22:40 | 129955 | ||
Historical-damage-control [152 words] | Devasahayam | May 28, 2008 10:57 | 129955 | ||
You must have meant "JEWS and Muslims" [143 words] | Devasahayam | May 28, 2008 16:14 | 129955 | ||
Why is Pork banned in Turkey [78 words] | Krista | May 28, 2008 16:19 | 129955 | ||
Devasahayam, meaning of Acts 10:14 [173 words] | Infidel | May 28, 2008 21:02 | 129955 | ||
Banning of Pork [191 words] | K.H. Ahmed | May 29, 2008 11:28 | 129955 | ||
"Double entendre" in that [65 words] | Devasahayam | May 29, 2008 18:45 | 129955 | ||
Devasahayam, Biblical edible food [66 words] | Infidel | May 29, 2008 23:32 | 129955 | ||
A source to keep up with Parochial News about Islamists around the world. [30 words] | Krista | May 30, 2008 09:52 | 129955 | ||
Where did you get this strange news? [19 words] | Oner | May 30, 2008 15:03 | 129955 | ||
Oops--you're right on the duck/goose [44 words] | Devasahayam | May 30, 2008 19:32 | 129955 | ||
Why are pork butchers being closed down in Istanbul? [20 words] | Krista | May 30, 2008 20:53 | 129955 | ||
pork is not kosher by Jews too [46 words] | zisan sumer | Jun 14, 2008 09:10 | 129955 | ||
Why has pork been sold in Turkey for years and now it's banned? [102 words] | Krista | Jun 14, 2008 20:43 | 129955 | ||
Ducks [13 words] | Lovedee | May 29, 2013 08:14 | 129955 | ||
| Another Great Feat of Islam [98 words] | Joe Kaffir | May 25, 2008 03:37 | 129897 | ||
| Turkey is the bird Turkey!! [226 words] | Mansoor | May 24, 2008 03:49 | 129782 | ||
Your word? [267 words] | Straight_Talk_Luigi | May 25, 2008 01:16 | 129782 | ||
Mansoor thinks Turkey's a problem for Islam? That's funny - it's a problem for europe too! [951 words] | The Grand Infidel of Kaffiristan | May 25, 2008 07:53 | 129782 | ||
Comparing the difference [147 words] | Fred Inglis | May 26, 2008 03:01 | 129782 | ||
CONFUSED GRAND KAFIR!!! [836 words] | mohammed | Jun 3, 2008 05:02 | 129782 | ||
| 1 | ...... Not confused at all , far from it. [1550 words] | The Grand Infidel of Kaffiristan | Jun 8, 2008 01:45 | 129782 | |
| 1 | Turkish Islam? [109 words] | trans-parere | May 23, 2008 18:02 | 129734 | |
| Did the Catholicism reform itself? [71 words] | jennifer solis | May 23, 2008 17:50 | 129730 | ||
| NO NEED TO JOIN EU [37 words] | Sumba | May 23, 2008 12:07 | 129693 | ||
Sounds good!!! [312 words] | Mansoor | May 24, 2008 07:55 | 129693 | ||
Actually.... [52 words] | Straight_Talk_Luigi | May 25, 2008 01:28 | 129693 | ||
| Do not look far...look at [some of] your neighbors! [375 words] | Norma Fares | May 23, 2008 12:04 | 129691 | ||
Reformed Islam [139 words] | Rahman | May 27, 2008 08:57 | 129691 | ||
Small Notes [898 words] | Bilal | Feb 21, 2010 12:48 | 129691 | ||
| sufis and their tricks for example [160 words] | G.Vishvas | May 23, 2008 07:55 | 129673 | ||
G.Vishwas [259 words] | Mansoor | May 24, 2008 04:03 | 129673 | ||
Vishvas to vishvas the islam first. [105 words] | Hameed Mubarak | May 24, 2008 10:43 | 129673 | ||
Muslims: Study Islam [493 words] | Claire | May 25, 2008 01:39 | 129673 | ||
| 1 | Absolutely right! [123 words] | Ianus | May 25, 2008 05:53 | 129673 | |
Sweet lies about Islam [322 words] | Ianus | May 25, 2008 06:33 | 129673 | ||
| 1 | Reply to hon. Mubarak Hameed (UAE) [592 words] | G.Vishvas | May 25, 2008 07:13 | 129673 | |
Thanks to Ianus [246 words] | G.Vishvas | May 26, 2008 05:57 | 129673 | ||
Are religions reformable [381 words] | J.KOwaqlik@comcast.net | May 26, 2008 22:38 | 129673 | ||
One truth, ironically revealed [57 words] | Devasahayam | May 27, 2008 10:56 | 129673 | ||
G. Vishvas, great comments [85 words] | Infidel | May 27, 2008 14:06 | 129673 | ||
what is wrong with islam [202 words] | G.Vishvas | May 29, 2008 03:58 | 129673 | ||
A more elementary difference [305 words] | Devasahayam | May 30, 2008 08:38 | 129673 | ||
What is right with Islam [79 words] | Jaladhi | Jun 2, 2008 17:39 | 129673 | ||
On the nail Jaladhi! [18 words] | Devasahayam | Jun 11, 2008 07:47 | 129673 | ||
| 1 | What is right in Islam? [54 words] | Ianus | Jun 13, 2008 18:08 | 129673 | |
Christian Churches [159 words] | Straight_Talk_Luigi | Jun 15, 2008 12:40 | 129673 | ||
| Indonesian clerics call for the banning of Ahamdiyas [672 words] | s.p. attri | May 22, 2008 21:31 | 129616 | ||
How much do Qadianis contribute to Indonesia [79 words] | Devasahayam | May 23, 2008 19:10 | 129616 | ||
Sp, Islam means peace, but not like you think [96 words] | Straight_Talk_Luigi | May 25, 2008 01:33 | 129616 | ||
Religious freedom [241 words] | Claire | May 25, 2008 04:17 | 129616 | ||
MULLAHS GLORIFYING THE TERRORIST-IMPERIALISM OF ISLAM [250 words] | s.p. attri | May 25, 2008 18:15 | 129616 | ||
Jihad's evil fury [830 words] | s.p. attri | May 26, 2008 00:16 | 129616 | ||
Muslim concept of "peace" [45 words] | Devasahayam | May 27, 2008 12:26 | 129616 | ||
CAN MUSLIMS BE GOOD AMERICANS? [419 words] | s.p. attri | May 28, 2008 23:43 | 129616 | ||
s.p. attri, can Muslims be good Americans [20 words] | Infidel | May 30, 2008 01:19 | 129616 | ||
| 2 | Prophet Of Terror [921 words] | s.p. attri | May 30, 2008 02:04 | 129616 | |
Indian Cleric: Every Muslim Should Be a Terrorist [1636 words] | s.p. attri | May 31, 2008 00:11 | 129616 | ||
FOOLISH SURINDER PAUL ATTARI!! [770 words] | mohammed | Jun 4, 2008 08:24 | 129616 | ||
mohammed, history or lies [291 words] | Infidel | Jun 6, 2008 21:56 | 129616 | ||
Smuttiness of Pakistan [92 words] | s.p. attri | Jun 7, 2008 04:21 | 129616 | ||
Yes, it is a smutty country [38 words] | Devasahayam | Jun 12, 2008 13:13 | 129616 | ||
to attri [76 words] | quraishi | Mar 17, 2009 07:58 | 129616 | ||
All Prophets came to deliver true knowledge and peace, to remove hatred fights and worshipping worthless idols [77 words] | Mohshin Uddin Anwar | Feb 12, 2010 08:05 | 129616 | ||
DEATH SENTENCE OF ISLAM ON EUROPE [632 words] | s.p. attri | Mar 8, 2010 04:18 | 129616 | ||
Six Million African Muslims Convert to Christianity Each Year [954 words] | s.p. attri | Mar 10, 2010 02:19 | 129616 | ||
Prophet of Peace [980 words] | s.p. attri | Mar 14, 2010 04:22 | 129616 | ||
| Giving a vote of trust. [232 words] | Ynnatchkah | May 22, 2008 18:33 | 129600 | ||
| Spineless EU Supports Islamist AKP party [48 words] | Anti-Sharia | May 22, 2008 17:05 | 129585 | ||
| Membership in the EU [46 words] | Infidel | May 22, 2008 15:21 | 129579 | ||
But why do they want to join that abomination? [25 words] | Devasahayam | May 23, 2008 12:46 | 129579 | ||
Devasahayam, trade [17 words] | Infidel | May 23, 2008 20:54 | 129579 | ||
doorway to Europe? [75 words] | Larry B. | May 24, 2008 19:17 | 129579 | ||
Access without borders. [30 words] | Larry B. | May 24, 2008 19:21 | 129579 | ||
Very useful [442 words] | Straight_Talk_Luigi | May 25, 2008 01:49 | 129579 | ||
What about Switzerland? [28 words] | Devasahayam | May 26, 2008 18:56 | 129579 | ||
| Eliminate Korean and Hadith? [80 words] | Sumba | May 22, 2008 12:24 | 129560 | ||
Did you mean "Quran" (Koran) rather than "Korean"? [44 words] | Devasahayam | May 23, 2008 05:27 | 129560 | ||
Disagree [25 words] | Rebecca Moulds | May 23, 2008 12:38 | 129560 | ||
Like minded bravo!!! [90 words] | Mansoor | May 24, 2008 08:04 | 129560 | ||
LOL...you and your swords [101 words] | Straight_Talk_Luigi | May 25, 2008 01:21 | 129560 | ||
Many Muslims do not [57 words] | Straight_Talk_Luigi | May 25, 2008 01:24 | 129560 | ||
General Mansoor, WE ARE WITH TURKEY ! LIKE I SAID " CHANGE IS INEVITABLE" [257 words] | Proud Indian | May 26, 2008 06:20 | 129560 | ||
Islam will bulldoze all and conquer all. [65 words] | sumba | Jan 27, 2010 12:31 | 129560 | ||
| 1 | Change Turkish Script [40 words] | Iftikhar Ahmad | May 22, 2008 12:15 | 129558 | |
Why not another script entirely [52 words] | Devasahayam | May 23, 2008 10:58 | 129558 | ||
| 1 | E.g. Turkic runes [86 words] | Ianus | May 23, 2008 18:13 | 129558 | |
I don't see any reason [18 words] | Straight_Talk_Luigi | May 25, 2008 01:26 | 129558 | ||
| Is Turkey's government starting a muslim Reformation? [156 words] | Kim Segar | May 22, 2008 11:59 | 129556 | ||
| Reformation [28 words] | steven L | May 22, 2008 11:31 | 129555 | ||
Reformation.. [111 words] | Carol | May 23, 2008 17:12 | 129555 | ||
| 1 | Semantic traps - "Western reform" vs "Islamic reform" [328 words] | Ianus | May 24, 2008 06:42 | 129555 | |
| 1 | Modernizing Islam??? When will a Fatwah be issued on these Turks? [68 words] | M.D'Souza | May 22, 2008 10:33 | 129548 | |
Tense wrong [18 words] | Devasahayam | May 23, 2008 14:32 | 129548 | ||
| The emperor's new clothes [134 words] | Rebecca Moulds | May 22, 2008 10:07 | 129543 | ||
| 3 | "Al-Bukhari and Muslims Sahi Hadith Collections" [245 words] | Lactantius Jr. | May 22, 2008 09:52 | 129540 | |
| 1 | I LIKE THE WAY OF EXPRESSING BY THIS NON MUSLIM. [57 words] | Rana BABAR Raza | Jul 3, 2008 13:45 | 129540 | |
"Thank you Rana" [354 words] | Lactantius Jr | Jul 4, 2008 06:14 | 129540 | ||
Islamic Faith [48 words] | Abdullatif | Sep 6, 2008 07:29 | 129540 | ||
"Faith" [439 words] | Lactantius Jr | Sep 8, 2008 17:11 | 129540 | ||
| 4 | AKP (Nazi party) Is Working to Bring SHARIA Law to Turkey [218 words] | No Sharia | May 22, 2008 09:19 | 129537 | |
| 10 | German and Italian fascism failed. Turkish fascism has been a success. [379 words] | Ianus | May 23, 2008 15:30 | 129537 | |
Sharia Law [51 words] | Hameed Mubarak | May 24, 2008 06:22 | 129537 | ||
God is great, indeed! [234 words] | Straight_Talk_Luigi | May 25, 2008 01:59 | 129537 | ||
| 2 | "The time is nearing to implement sharia in the US too". [308 words] | Ianus | May 25, 2008 07:05 | 129537 | |
deconstructing [558 words] | sims01 | May 27, 2008 19:49 | 129537 | ||
| 2 | Deconstucting Turkishness -1 [438 words] | Ianus | May 28, 2008 16:50 | 129537 | |
The barbarian sticks around. [755 words] | sims01 | May 28, 2008 19:04 | 129537 | ||
| 3 | Frunze vs Sims01 [2359 words] | Ianus | May 31, 2008 17:14 | 129537 | |
| 3 | On Ataturk's paradise and Pan-Turkism [695 words] | Ianus | Jun 1, 2008 10:16 | 129537 | |
| 2 | Fascism [58 words] | Ümit | Jun 6, 2012 13:06 | 129537 | |
This is ignorance, at it's finest [2 words] | Turkish person | Dec 4, 2012 21:26 | 129537 | ||
| 2 | "Plus ça change, plus c'est la même chose" ... or vegetarian diet for the Moslem crocodile à la turque [1354 words] | Ianus | May 22, 2008 07:56 | 129534 | |
Turkey at the Center of History - Then and Now [285 words] | M. Tovey | May 22, 2008 19:36 | 129534 | ||
| 1 | The perfect is the enemy of the good. [691 words] | Ianus | May 23, 2008 17:42 | 129534 | |
| Important About Hadith [155 words] | Chia de Seuta | May 22, 2008 06:25 | 129523 | ||
The so called hadith is bogus [261 words] | dhimmi no more | May 24, 2008 07:09 | 129523 | ||
| Yes! A reinterpretation of Hadith! I can't wait to see the new one on "infidels" & "non-believers" !!! [18 words] | Suzanne | May 22, 2008 04:09 | 129508 | ||
| 1 | "infidels" & "non-believers" [46 words] | Ianus | May 23, 2008 14:44 | 129508 | |
| Keeping the Big Picture in Sight - Reforming the Hadiths [191 words] | Richard B. | May 22, 2008 00:07 | 129484 | ||
| Better Turkey Than Saudi Arabia [91 words] | GWK | May 21, 2008 21:50 | 129461 | ||
Historical reason [104 words] | Devasahayam | May 22, 2008 21:27 | 129461 | ||
Your Lawrence = turncoat" revelation is amazing! Details Please! [85 words] | GWK | May 23, 2008 23:39 | 129461 | ||
My source on LoA was Ilana Mercer [26 words] | Devasahayam | May 24, 2008 22:05 | 129461 | ||
Lawrence of Arabia a peripheral issue. Culture is prominent. [83 words] | gwk | May 25, 2008 10:04 | 129461 | ||
| How about starting Muslim Reformation by abrogating the Jihad against Israel - one that contradicts commands of the Qur'an [145 words] | Jewish-Islamic True Peace | May 21, 2008 21:32 | 129454 | ||
Reformation Shmeformation [165 words] | Peter Herz | May 22, 2008 07:38 | 129454 | ||
| The Hadith Project in Turkey [621 words] | Ibrahim Abu Bakar | May 21, 2008 21:11 | 129453 | ||
Ha ha, More Riddles [102 words] | Straight_Talk_Luigi | May 21, 2008 22:44 | 129453 | ||
| Backdoor to Whabbism in Turkey [59 words] | Romesh Chander | May 21, 2008 21:11 | 129452 | ||
Are you sure? [15 words] | Devasahayam | May 27, 2008 12:28 | 129452 | ||
| 1 | AKP REGIME IS ISLAMIZING A SECULAR COUNTRY NOT, REFORMING A RELIGION [532 words] | Secular Turk | May 21, 2008 21:10 | 129451 | |
| 2 | ISLAMIZING AN ISLAMIC COUNTRY or the Grey Wolf without sheep's clothing [731 words] | Ianus | May 22, 2008 10:31 | 129451 | |
Disagree somewhat [155 words] | Devasahayam | May 22, 2008 16:12 | 129451 | ||
O' brother what can we do to get over it? [89 words] | sims01 | May 24, 2008 21:20 | 129451 | ||
| 1 | We can introduce shari'a in Turkey immediately and join openly the global jihad against the West and Israel. [265 words] | Ianus | May 25, 2008 05:11 | 129451 | |
Fascist barbarian Turk makes a comeback !!! [557 words] | sims01 | May 26, 2008 14:47 | 129451 | ||
A revision [28 words] | Devasahayam | May 27, 2008 09:39 | 129451 | ||
When did Poland invade Anatolia? [32 words] | Devasahayam | May 27, 2008 09:43 | 129451 | ||
| 1 | "Fascist barbarian Turk makes a comeback !!!" -1 [383 words] | Ianus | May 27, 2008 18:19 | 129451 | |
| 1 | my bad ... [40 words] | sims01 | May 27, 2008 20:06 | 129451 | |
| 4 | "Fascist barbarian Turk makes a comeback !!!" -2 [1483 words] | Ianus | May 28, 2008 10:38 | 129451 | |
| 1 | Invariable Turkish point - "Oh, how sweet Turkishness is!" [236 words] | Ianus | May 28, 2008 17:18 | 129451 | |
| 1 | Babarian Turk (c) demands more anwers. [644 words] | sims01 | May 28, 2008 17:26 | 129451 | |
| 7 | Barbarian Turk here again! [1663 words] | sims02 | May 29, 2008 03:31 | 129451 | |
| 1 | On fascist peace [1728 words] | Ianus | May 29, 2008 15:18 | 129451 | |
| 16 | Kemal's "genius" and Lenin's gold [629 words] | Ianus | May 30, 2008 15:44 | 129451 | |
| 1 | Reciprocity postulate for fools [97 words] | Ianus | May 31, 2008 17:36 | 129451 | |
A rather simple approach [109 words] | Devasahayam | Jun 2, 2008 08:49 | 129451 | ||
| 12 | Ianus | Jun 6, 2008 15:08 | 129451 | ||
| 2 | Turkish "excellency" [568 words] | Ianus | Jun 14, 2008 13:05 | 129451 | |
just like our racist [45 words] | hasan | Sep 23, 2008 16:21 | 129451 | ||
| 2 | Ne mutlu türk barbarım diyene! [174 words] | Ianus | Sep 24, 2008 14:13 | 129451 | |
| 1 | Just learn then talk [144 words] | no need to be Turk to reject this | Dec 20, 2009 06:09 | 129451 | |
| 1 | Doctor, heal thyself! [687 words] | Ianus | Dec 22, 2009 05:29 | 129451 | |
| 1 | Few words from a Turk [147 words] | a guy | Mar 5, 2010 20:07 | 129451 | |
| 3 | A "humanist" and 1 000 000 victims massacred by him [1180 words] | Ianus | Mar 6, 2010 13:19 | 129451 | |
| 1 | The Armenian Genocide and those that deny it and shame on them [35 words] | dhimmi no more | Mar 6, 2010 15:33 | 129451 | |
turkey [60 words] | emrullah | Jun 10, 2010 03:05 | 129451 | ||
| 2 | "Turkey is world king" [262 words] | Ianus | Jun 10, 2010 18:18 | 129451 | |
GAZİ MUSTAFA KEMAL ATATÜRK [19 words] | Turkish atheist | Mar 6, 2018 03:47 | 129451 | ||
Paging our dear Turkish Atheist! [67 words] | dhimmi no more | Mar 8, 2018 08:17 | 129451 | ||
| Right! [41 words] | Doug Corrigan | May 21, 2008 20:09 | 129447 | ||
| 1 | Reforming Islam [125 words] | Janusz Kowalik | May 21, 2008 20:04 | 129446 | |
| 1 | Turkey should advance further along the lines indicated below [425 words] | rasheed al-talib | May 26, 2008 02:39 | 129446 | |
Bang On Rasheed! Proud to know that you are from India [41 words] | Proud Indian | May 27, 2008 02:03 | 129446 | ||
| 1 | Reforming the unreformable [1492 words] | The Grand Infidel of Kaffiristan | May 27, 2008 07:23 | 129446 | |
Truly impressed with the calibre of readers & comments [78 words] | Edmund Onward James | Jun 12, 2008 10:35 | 129446 |