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Civilizationism v. Nationalism

Reader comment on item: Europe's Jews vs. Israel
in response to reader comment: "Nationalism" is a better Term than "civilizationist"

Submitted by Robert (United States), Nov 5, 2022 at 13:32

At the time (2019) I wrote my commentary above i was not aware of the emergence in history of the notion of Civilizationism that now is rather conspicuous on the Web.

I wish to note here that you have been studying the continuous emergence of Civilizationist (Political) Parties, often described as Right Wing with a sordid past connections to Fascism, etc. But that's what happening in Europe, particularly the EU on a Local lever. On the Global level we see the rise of the Civilization State, possibly the first example (it is allegedly rooted in Neo-Confucianism).

Accordingly, regarding Jews and Israel, I wish to observe the natural or logical consequence that Israel, and its Zionist ideology represents the emergence and unfolding of the Jewish Civilization State (and whose Sovereign borders have not yet been set). But where does that leave the Jews of the Diaspora? Unfortunately, not in a good place for Jews on the Left; Jews on the Right, on the other hand, are potential Israelis who merely happen to live abroad. But the demographic cohort of Jews in the world can be better described by identifying those who support the Jewish Civilization State (of Israel) by three (3) groupings: 1) Hasidim (particularly the Lubavitcher), 2) Orthodox, and 3) those Jews who will or may immigrate to Israel and thereby become instant citizens thereof.

That leaves the unfortunate cohort of Leftist, Liberal, Progressive, and Secular Jews who "naturally" find themselves exposed to the new Antisemitism of the "Protocols of Zion." You, Dr. Daniels, in one of your articles, point out the positive side of this cohort ("Philosemitism"), that it produces the greatest number of Nobel Laureates per capita even though the Jews of the world comprise less than 1% of the human population of the world. But you restricted yourself merely to the Nobel Prize. Take every possible field. For example, in American Music, Jews played a major part, out-sizing their demographic statistics. In fact, about 1920 auto industrialist Antisemite Henry Ford, in his newspapers serialization, "The International Jew," accused the Jews for Jazz. Regarding a very recent Black Antisemitic even, illiterate Ye (aka Kanye West) claimed that Jews can't dance. Apparently, he's ignorant about the world greatest universally recognized dancer - Fred Astaire. It turns out that Astaire's grandfather was a German Jew (this fact is readily confirmed by Wikipedia on Fred's bio).

I have this crazy idea of re-writing "The Protocols" from a Philosophic perspective. It was Napoleon Bonaparte who positively introduced meritocracy to Europe as an aspect of the French Revolution. However, he did not do that smoothly - he put the Jews on public trial first to see if they were worthy of French citizenship; he effectively introduced a "civil service" exam, which the notable Jews of France answered well, and prior Haskalah Jews entered French civil society. Thereafter, Prussian Prince Bismark, when he created the (modern) German Empire introduced the Prussian aristocracy's civil service tradition to the rest of Germany, and in it there was no longer a legal disability for Jews to enter German society. It was in this atmosphere that Karl Marx became an intellectual expounding his economic theory in his textbook, "Das Capitol." Although Karl's father converted Marx to Protestantism (allegedly for economic reasons) it is this allegedly "Jewish" ideology (Communism) adopted by the Soviet Union, China, etc.

I hypothesize that the appropriate Paradigmatic, or Dialectical (Hegelian) response to Antisemitism is Philosemitism with pride. It is time that Jews assert openly their Exceptionalism. For example, that at the roots of Christianity and Islam is Judaism. It is these facts which make the "Goy" or "Goyim" feel "inferior" unconsciously.

I urge the reader to search and read or re-read the "antisemitism" article posted here by Dr. Daniel Pipes, and to elaborate on the excellent observations he makes therein.

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Reader comments (23) on this item

Title Commenter Date Thread
2Iran's Mohammad Ali Geraei - Hitler admirer (Islamofascism) [110 words]FarsiAug 28, 2022 20:19285702
1Arab with Nazi salute in Germany - arrested (Aug 18, 2022) [69 words]BariAug 26, 2022 21:43285643
Civilizationist parties make me uneasy, but... [134 words]JanMar 14, 2019 15:27248390
2"Nationalism" is a better Term than "civilizationist" [1135 words]RobertFeb 22, 2019 14:36247898
7Civilizationism v. Nationalism [636 words]RobertNov 5, 2022 13:32247898
Hard to understand [16 words]AlbertE.Feb 19, 2019 20:50247845
British want Britain to be British .... what racists they are ... hahahaha... [4 words]Abe BirdFeb 11, 2022 06:10247845
Bigotry is hardly a value of western civilization. [147 words]BorisGFeb 9, 2019 07:38247619
European Jews are in danger if they say the thruth about Israƫl and Islamism [76 words]amos zotJan 29, 2019 04:14247407
1I would say these political movements are not primarily about preserving civilization per se [183 words]Anon.Jan 28, 2019 14:17247396
2Thanks for the term civilizationist [107 words]Lorenz GudeJan 28, 2019 03:43247388
holocaust no. 2 [113 words]John BlackmanJan 27, 2019 19:16247382
The German foreign minister laid a wreath on Arafat's tomb a couple of years ago. [4 words]Anon.Jan 27, 2019 16:26247381
German foreign minister's amnesia and confusion after 1972 [38 words]mythJan 31, 2019 12:21247381
He should have let his dog pay his respects. [67 words]AnonFeb 2, 2019 19:09247381
2Europe's Jews vs. Israel [78 words]WalterJan 27, 2019 15:51247379
1Historical Inertia, Projection and Ignorance Hobble Diaspora Jews [221 words]DaveJan 27, 2019 14:22247378
What if both sides are right? [88 words]Jeffrey SheffJan 27, 2019 14:18247377
Civilizationist Parties [122 words]
w/response from Daniel Pipes
LarryJan 27, 2019 13:23247375
Who Decides for the Jewish People - European Jewish populations or the Israeli citizen? [291 words]MToveyJan 28, 2019 17:26247375
And Now Dr. Pipes - As the Chinese CCP Encroaches from the East Against Western Civilizationism? [81 words]M ToveySep 19, 2021 19:21247375
Globalist is the adversary [35 words]RobertNov 26, 2022 18:40247375
3Globalists vs.Nationalists: The New World War? (Is Globalism the New Communism???) [272 words]G MarcusJan 27, 2019 13:00247374

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