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Submitted by Anon. (United States), Jul 16, 2018 at 15:44

The Polish government does not refute any fact, does not try to minimise the scale of the Holocaust and does not claim that Poles did not play a part in it. Your claim is quite simply untrue. Rather, Poland maintains that it was not the Polish *nation* which commited atrocities and that therefore blame cannot be assigned to "the Polish people" as a group, but can rightly be assigned to those Polish individuals who helped the Nazis, of which there were certainly more than a few. I agree with them whole-heartedly and I'm very pleased they take this position and repudiate those individuals who helped the Nazis.

It should go without saying that neo-Nazis would wish for Poles to identify with those who helped the Nazis, and what better way to get them to identify with them than to tell them "you are them, they weren't merely Poles, they were 'the Polish people', you are part of 'the Polish people', therefore you did it, you are with them".

One of the reasons Poles today can so easily repudiate the Nazis is because they do not identify with them and with those who helped them. They are free to embrace and equally free to reject them. They choose to reject them. I'm thrilled about it. Turks, by contrast, are free to reject/embrace them, and many embrace them.

So no, the Poles do not minimise the scale of the holocaust and do not embrace anti-semitism and must not be smeared and made to look as though they do.

Geert Wilders heads a Dutch anti-Islamization party and his party too does not embrace racism or anti-semitism, nor does it flirt with Nazism (of course, to argue that the Polish government, in so strongly repudiating those Poles who helped the Nazis somehow flirts with Nazism would be idiotic).

UKIP, likewise, does not do any of these things. The Swedish anti mass-immigation party seems remarkably level-headed, does not promote anti-semitism at all, does not attempt to minimise the holocaust. Though in their case, one could argue that the party once did, rather long ago, but it is telling that it certainly does not now. Even one of the party's critics (a Swedish, Jewish comedian who has repeatedly voiced concern about Islamization) admitted that their supporters are not racist or anti-semitic.

Here's the thing: the more those who argue against an unhinged immigration policy are smeared as racists, the worse the problem gets, the louder one will hear the voices of those whom actually are racist, the less the public will care about whether those who will act to solve the problem are racist or not. If people are rushing out of a crowded theatre on fire, they might avoid exits marked as dangerous at first, but eventually they'll take any exit they'll find, no matter how it's labeled.

Europe has taken in far too many people from outside Europe and this has to be acknowledged. It is blurring each country's identity, it is creating the sense in its native people that they are made to feel like foreigners in their own historical lands. The more one labels resistance to this as 'racism', the worse the situation grows and the more the pressure builds up.


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Title Commenter Date Thread
Filipino [76 words]AlbertE.Oct 4, 2018 16:55245208
Well Founded Fear. [186 words]
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Reynald de ChatillonAug 6, 2018 00:08244107
2Do we concur with Brigitte Gabriel's figure [195 words]PrashantAug 6, 2018 22:01244107
Islam and Poles. [80 words]AlbertE.Oct 4, 2018 17:00244107
1Leading the Way. [21 words]
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Reynald de ChatillonAug 3, 2018 01:07244053
1Temprarily living and working in another country does not actually make one an immigrant. [97 words]Anon.Jul 23, 2018 17:32243846
Tell me - why? [50 words]Michael KerjmanJul 17, 2018 13:41243769
1Correct stance [154 words]AnonJul 15, 2018 15:05243744
Anti-semitism and Holocaust minimisation are inherent to all European anti-immigration parties [56 words]BorisGJul 8, 2018 11:01243639
1That is not the case. [539 words]Anon.Jul 16, 2018 15:44243639
1Hard [78 words]AlbertE.Jul 6, 2018 21:43243632
I would urge caution regarding having many people move to Poland [291 words]
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AnonJul 2, 2018 16:51243570
I was thinking specifically of ethnicities who look very different [45 words]AnonJul 3, 2018 18:24243570
Move. [28 words]
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AlbertE.Oct 4, 2018 17:05243570
Poland and Islam [138 words]dhimmi no moreJul 2, 2018 15:08243568
2To be or not to be -Shakespeare is alive! [43 words]CMDR USn Paul JanJul 2, 2018 13:40243567
2Funny how the tables have turned. Poles once the butt of Polack jokes, now show more sanity than the rest of EU [65 words]kmanJul 1, 2018 23:30243562
Poles' historic good relations with Muslims ? [1 words]
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Damjan BojadzievJul 1, 2018 22:16243559
10On needing to justify a ban on Muslim immigration [585 words]PrashantJul 1, 2018 20:15243557
....immigrants are easy targets....who really decides their fates.... [462 words]M ToveyJul 5, 2018 12:48243557
1Just imagine if the U.K hadn't taken in countless Muslims, how differently it would have felt about Syria [169 words]AnonJul 1, 2018 18:36243556

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