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What Would the "Victory" Look Like?

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Submitted by Sigmund Derman (United States), Jul 10, 2018 at 11:26

"Israel Victory" sounds like a great idea, but what would it actually look like? In what manner would the Palestinians, divided as they are, surrender? In a traditional "victory" there is some kind of conference between the winner and the loser and an agreement, a treaty, is drawn up and signed. The treaty contains the specifics of the victory and surrender, i.e. the "terms." Who would sign this agreement for the Palestinians and what, roughly speaking, would it say? Suppose that you, Dr. Pipes, got to draw up the agreement. What would the terms be?

Here are my hypothetical terms:

1. All Palestinian hostilities toward Israel stop.
2. The Palestinians recognizes Israel as a sovereign state.
3. Most of Gaza goes back to Egypt except for a small portion desired by Israel for settlers.
4. Palestinians in Gaza would become citizens of Egypt.
5. Hamas and the PLO would disband and their military and paramilitary forces would disarm.
6. The West Bank would go back to Jordan except for small strategic areas retained by Israel.
7. All Palestinian military and paramilitary forces in the West Bank would disarm.
8. All Palestinians living in the West Bank would become citizens of Jordan.

Would those be reasonable terms? Would these terms result in stability and peace? Do you have better suggestions? Should Israel keep more land? Is something like this possible?


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Daniel Pipes replies:

My model of defeat is the one I experienced as an American in 1975. No surrender meeting, no agreement, no terms, just one side's will to continue coming to an end.

As for what follows defeat, we do not venture there.

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