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Pipes and Sherman

Reader comment on item: Achieving Israel Victory with Martin Sherman

Submitted by Vivarto (Israel), May 15, 2017 at 07:45

Here are a couple of comments to Daniel Pipes:

"The allure of a state after the conflict ends offers benefits to both sides. Israelis will be free of ruling unwanted subjects. Palestinians have a reason to behave."

I disagree; "Palestinians" patriotism is artificial and is not rooted in their real identity. They know they are Arabs, and they know they are from elsewhere. If given an opportunity to emigrate half would leave almost instantly, and the rest would follow. Unlike Jews, they don't have a deep love for the land. Jews are coming to Israel leaving behind a much higher living standard in America because of deep love of the land.
Arabs will follow economical opportunities. They don't love the land, they turned the land to desert, through mismanagement, overgrazing, cutting the trees.
Jews plant the forests, Arabs make arsons.

Arabs know well that they cannot make a successful state. They know that all their presidents will be corrupt dictators ruling by bribing the heads of the clans. Deep down they know well that a Muslim Arab "Palestine" will be another failed state. Opinion surveys consistently show that the overwhelming majority of Arabs in the "occupied" part of Jerusalem would prefer to live under the Israeli rather than under Palestinian rule.

"Due to intense nationalism, even stronger social pressure, and likely threats of violence, I highly doubt this scheme will find significant numbers of takers, but it's certainly worth a try."
Their nationalism is indeed intense and at the same time it is every bit as superficial as it is fake. It will not prevent the Arab squatters from migrating to the next place if the opportunities are better.

Daniel Pipes is correct about social pressure and threats of violence. These are the factors that need to be addressed and removed through correct intervention. One interesting idea would be to move entire village or clan after having sufficiently bribed the clan leaders, and after securing a landing place for them in another country for another handsome compensation. Another idea would be for Israel to provide security and privacy.
However the most important part of Sherman's project is to make it morally acceptable and supported by important players. It is a reframe of the problem, from "national liberation" to the humanitarian problem. Once the important players accept that this is a humanitarian problem, the solutions and money will be found.


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Title Commenter Date Thread
Middle East peace [24 words]
w/response from Daniel Pipes
Dr. Akiva MitzmacherAug 7, 2017 12:09240406
1Only One Way [105 words]Michael MorcosMay 18, 2017 20:31239155
1Questions [73 words]
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janek HoracekMay 18, 2017 19:03239153
1Reader Janek Horacek raises a very valid point [312 words]PrashantMay 20, 2017 16:19239153
The notion of palestinians willingly leaving is ludicrous [119 words]
w/response from Daniel Pipes
ZeevMay 18, 2017 09:42239145
They will come right back with more guns [73 words]PrashantMay 23, 2017 06:49239145
Total destruction [155 words]
w/response from Daniel Pipes
John RandomMay 17, 2017 20:49239139
Illusion [129 words]
w/response from Daniel Pipes
Dr Michel A. CALVOMay 16, 2017 04:58239117
Dear Dr. Pipes [36 words]
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DEBANJAN BANERJEEMay 15, 2017 23:31239113
Dear Dr. Pipes [27 words]
w/response from Daniel Pipes
DEBANJAN BANERJEEMay 17, 2017 10:34239113
1Palestinians should gladly accept a dhimmi-equivalent status in Israel [77 words]PrashantMay 18, 2017 03:12239113
Why is Israel afraid to give Palestinians their voting rights ? [96 words]DEBANJAN BANERJEEMay 20, 2017 03:42239113
Why Israel is not giving voting rights to Palestinians [121 words]PrashantMay 23, 2017 06:58239113
Can I vote in your elections? [177 words]JeffMay 23, 2017 21:28239113
3Allowing the Palestinians to Lose War [115 words]
w/response from Daniel Pipes
Ilbert PhillipsMay 15, 2017 21:26239112
Act like the victors - not fight for victory [243 words]Eli E CohenMay 15, 2017 17:31239109
Also, those who leave may send remittances back to West Bank and Gaza [115 words]Yoel NatanMay 15, 2017 10:46239100
Humanitarian paradigm? [261 words]
w/response from Daniel Pipes
MalcolmMay 15, 2017 09:26239098
1Israel accepting the possibility of a Palestinian state. [135 words]Barry RabMay 15, 2017 08:23239096
Pipes and Sherman [399 words]VivartoMay 15, 2017 07:45239095
In response. [113 words]Joy Moss-RendellMay 15, 2017 05:41239089
1PalArabs to be trusted? Fool's errand [373 words]NuritGMay 15, 2017 02:40239086
1Change The Subject For Victory [215 words]DaveMay 14, 2017 21:27239083
Never a Palestinian State [224 words]sMay 14, 2017 19:41239082

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