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Submitted by Philip (United Kingdom), Mar 11, 2017 at 08:02

"Erdogan 'stole' the election"... did he steal it, or did he use Middle Eastern/Ottoman methods to win it? This is the ME after all, where elections are not strictly according to any 'Western'(?) rules...(Did Trump steal his election from the pop vote through the Electoral college? Half of all voting Americans seem to think he did... would this be grounds for a coup against Trump? the point I'm making is that electoral rules anywhere are subject to endless political manipulation/shenanigans, esp. in the ME where such behaviour is the rule rather than the exception).

"Erdogan rules despotically"; So did every Ottoman Sultan, and so did Ataturk. And every military coup leader post-war... This is the way things are done in the post-Ottoman ME.

"Military intervention has previously worked in Turkey"; when the Junta took over in Greece, once, post-war, from '67-'74, they were pilloried by the West for the entire time, because Greece was seen by western idiots as 'the birthplace of democracy'... the fact that it had been under 600 years of sometimes despotic, sometimes beneficial Ottoman rule, therefore not practiced in any kind of democracy, was lost/ignored in the West. in Turkey, 4 military coups were greeted in the West without a murmur...Why? because the West expects Turkey to be Middle Eastern, corrupt, despotic, so undemocratic, so subject to military coups, in order to keep NATO and Western interests alive, not to 'make the Turkish child better'. Erdogan is simply taking Turkey back from its Kemalist interlude (1922-200?) to its Islamic/Ottoman heritage of some 6-700 years. His victory as president mirrors the shift in popular sentiment better reflecting the fact that 95+% of Turks are Sunni Muslims. The kemalist secular pro-western military-supported tendency is on the way out with the rise of both Sunni and Shia Resurgences. Erdogan simply reflects this resurgence. And Mr Pipes' comment reflects Western Establishments' reaction to those Resurgences esp. within the Western nat security set-ups that still view a military-supported kemalist Turkey as essential to NATO, the ME, and the EU? while Erdogan and Turkish Muslims have another perspective followed by perhaps more than 50% of the Turkish pop? If not Erdogan, some other Muslim leader would be doing something very similar in Turkey.

Thank you.


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Thank you Mr Pipes - my response [373 words]PhilipMar 11, 2017 08:02237498
Why the difference between the West and Turks' point of view here? [138 words]Solomon2Sep 16, 2016 14:36232749
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What about the Gulenist network in America? [76 words]
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Solomon2Jul 26, 2016 09:33230889
Was it truly a ssecular coup? [124 words]
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Kepha HorJul 25, 2016 11:20230851
What course will Turkey now take? [41 words]
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SteveJul 22, 2016 13:31230722
"A stronger NATO"? I don't think so [371 words]Michael SJul 31, 2016 12:36230722
2Islamist coup in Turkey [6325 words]
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The new reality: Dictatorship, dictatorship and more dictatorship [321 words]Michael SJul 22, 2016 00:26230631
Me Too! [106 words]JerryJul 21, 2016 16:03230587
The Western Dandy leaders can't deal with Erdogan. [139 words]Michael SJul 29, 2016 05:30230587
1933 Revisited? [238 words]Dr. Jack LawsonJul 21, 2016 09:31230561
2Turkey's occupation of Cyprus [51 words]DavePJul 21, 2016 05:02230555
Islamismo Turco y Europa. [167 words]RafaelJul 21, 2016 03:07230553
Islamists came out of the woodwork [79 words]adaJul 21, 2016 01:03230550
1A successful coup would have been better [117 words]Ron ThompsonJul 20, 2016 23:25230548
2turkey [52 words]fred schwartzJul 20, 2016 19:11230544
The More Things Change [19 words]Barry BlackJul 20, 2016 17:16230538
1I, too, rooted for the coup [163 words]Ann WigginsJul 20, 2016 15:26230535
2Was the attempted coup genuine? [80 words]
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Rich McJul 20, 2016 13:08230534
Too Late [32 words]Barry BlackJul 21, 2016 08:50230534
False flag [43 words]AlanAug 19, 2016 17:13230534
exceptional analysis [34 words]Timothy HadleyJul 20, 2016 13:00230532
Not a minority of one: I also rooted for the Turkish coup attempt! [41 words]Daniel BamfordJul 20, 2016 10:33230530
1Turkey's Coup [178 words]Mark in St. Louis MOJul 20, 2016 10:05230529
You Are Not Alone [136 words]Stuart WeissJul 20, 2016 09:10230528
This coup like the coup in Ukraine and many other places around the world since end WWII - designed by US. [116 words]S. LatzJul 20, 2016 09:01230527
4At first, I hoped it would succeed. But then... [260 words]
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There is NO Santa ClausJul 20, 2016 08:39230526
1Isolated Opinion- really?? Like Reichstagbrand 27 Feb 1933 [255 words]From GermanyJul 20, 2016 08:19230525
The Pakistanization of Turkey [7 words]carJul 20, 2016 03:04230521
How Obtuse Are Our Leaders? [121 words]DaveJul 19, 2016 20:26230515
1Members of the terrorist group The Muslim Brotherhood must have been having panic attacks following the coup attempt [61 words]dhimmi no moreJul 19, 2016 11:43230513
The Paradox That is Turkey - Why Erdoǧan Remained - This Time [192 words]M ToveyJul 18, 2016 16:35230502
Recep Tayyip Erdogan had it coming [122 words]YJ DraimanJul 18, 2016 15:29230501
1Minority of One --- But Absolutely Right [104 words]Domenic PepeJul 18, 2016 12:25230496
1Not alone [96 words]Marc WhitneyJul 18, 2016 11:57230494

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