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Current world situation: Kurds, Turks, Iranians, Saudis and the Beast

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Submitted by Michael S. (United States), Nov 7, 2014 at 11:00

Hello, beloved Tovey! You said,

At the risk of repetition, it has been a long time teaching that the Scriptures are replete with immediate fulfillments and long term fulfillments,..

...which logic you applied to Zephaniah. You said, concerning Zephaniah prophesying during the time of Josiah (641-609 BC),

we have history's confirmation of the Assyrian conquests of the northern precincts of Israel [yes, 722 BC, before Josiah's time]... The assertion that there is a modern reading of this prophetic passage is by association of the mindset (and not necessarily the ideology) of nomadic sons of Ismael and unrelated non-Semitic marauders careening around the ancient Assyrian lands, killing and pillaging under the black banner of a assumed ideology that seeks Israel's destruction...

Yes, there is a resemblance between ISIL/ Da'esh and ancient Assyria: both were violent people, who occupied Iraq and Syria; and neither had a love for the Jews. Some things never change.

As for the 'Palestinians 'ethnicity, calling them by their modern nom de plume after the World War One redesign of the Middle East indeed does not validate any possessory interest; that is a fiction authored under British and French auspices of their own imperial desires, the results of which they are paying for now at the malfeasance of a world gone mad in the Middle East.

You're preaching to the choir. The ancient Romans and modern British both called Israel "Palestine", after the long-non-existent Philistines who had been brief sojourners in Israel during the time of the Judges and the Kings. In both cases, it was meant as a slur against the Jews, and an attempt to de-legitimize them. You went on,

Cutting to the chase scene, we read: "Therefore wait for me," declares the LORD, "for the day when I rise up to seize the prey. For my decision is to gather nations, to assemble kingdoms, to pour out upon them my indignation, all my burning anger; for in the fire of my jealousy all the earth shall be consumed. Zephaniah 3:8.

Seriously; are the nations of the earth who plan against Israel not headed for that exact scenario?

Yes. Zephaniah, Isaiah, Jeremiah and other pre-Exilic prophets often spoke of the ultimate, eternal realm of Messiah -- in order to give the readers solace, after reading about the horrible judgments that would shortly (596-570 BC) come upon them. What these prophets lack, compared to Exilic prophets such as Ezekiel, Daniel and Zechariah, are details about events in the end times. The most detailed prophecy of all about our times, of course, is the Book of Revelation in the New Testament.

Concerning end-times prophecies, along with a nod to Kurdistan (the topic of the OP), I have been puttering around, trying to fit the nations of the earth in coherent groups -- groups which sort of get along with one another and have something of a common goal. At the moment I've settled on 17 such groups:

1. US & Co., 2. Russia & Co., 3. PR China & Co., 4. Egypt & Co., 5. Iran & Co., 6. Turkey & Co.; 7. Thailand & Co., 8. India & Co., 9. Brazil & Co., 10. Mexico & Co., 11. Taiwan; 12. S. Africa & Co., 13. Nigeria & Co., 14. Ethiopia & Co., 15. Cameroun & Co., 16. Dominican R. & Co., 17. Timor-Leste & Co.

The first group, "US & Co.", consists of "The Atlantic Alliance" and others, and forms the heart of what is commonly referred to as "Western Civilization". We are tied to one another primarily by military connections, with the US being the principal leader and arms supplier. You will find that every one of what I consider to be the "Ten horns" of the "beast" are in this group; and that I consider the US itself to be the "little horn that became stouter than the others".

In the Middle East, the US group is represented by Israel (joined at the hip with us in the UN) and -- tada! Kurdistan!

Other Middle Eastern groups are Turkey, the remnant of the Ottoman Empire; Iran, the remnant of the Persian Empire; and Saudi Arabia, the remnant of the (real, original) Arab Caliphates. Each of them has a long, almost uninterrupted, history of independence. Those are the big players in the Middle East today, with the Jihadis (from ISIL to the Muslim Brotherhood and HAMAS) in Turkey's camp; most of the Sunni Arab world in Saudi Arabia's camp, and an interesting potpourri of countries (including Cuba, Venezuela and Eritrea) in Iran's camp.

What is interesting is that besides the Jihadis, the Turkish camp includes "Western" countries such as Iceland, Ireland and Sweden. I came to this conclusion, by noting that there was a deep rift in the Western bloc between Turkey on the one hand (supporting terrorist beasts like ISIL) and Israel on the other. I classifyied these countries according to their relative affinity and animosity towards ISIL and Israel. Sweden, for instance, is giving no real support to the anti-ISIL coalition; but has a toxic animosity towards Israel. Pretty much ditto with the others. Ukraine has a slightly different situation: Israel remains neutral concerning the Ukraine's struggle with the Russians, but the Turks support them; so I also put the Ukraine in the Turkish group.

Some other observations: Iran is looking to Latin America for close allies, building these relations upon brazen mutual hatred of the US. The Saudis, meanwhile, seek connections with fellow Sunni (but not Muslim Brotherhood) countries; and the Turks, who have few friends left in the Middle East, are finding companions among the socialists and atheists of Europe. Curiously, they are finding closer fellowship there as an "Islamist" state than they ever had as a secular state.

Submitting....

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Title Commenter Date Thread
The Kurds -- a bit of cheer for Americans [72 words]Michael S.Nov 7, 2014 10:08219209
1US firepower at work -- killing Kurds [115 words]Michael S.Sep 26, 2014 20:31218250
1Containment of an Ideological Fissile Reaction - No One is Safe [310 words]M. ToveyOct 1, 2014 15:39218250
Happy Feast of Tabernacles, Tovey. Exciting "blood moon" day. [671 words]Michael S.Oct 8, 2014 16:50218250
1Greetings at Shmini Atzeret [70 words]M. ToveyOct 14, 2014 19:31218250
News, horror movie, news... choices, choices [534 words]Michael S.Oct 17, 2014 02:50218250
Horrors-Terrors-Yet to Come - Zephaniah et al [342 words]M. ToveyNov 5, 2014 17:22218250
Current world situation: Kurds, Turks, Iranians, Saudis and the Beast [957 words]Michael S.Nov 7, 2014 11:00218250
For the Kurds -If Not the US or UN, Then Who? [339 words]M. ToveyDec 17, 2014 15:29218250
The Beast is here. [1038 words]Michael SDec 18, 2014 09:29218250
Waiting for the Right Fulfillment [685 words]M. ToveyDec 22, 2014 12:16218250
Messiah's on the way [1472 words]Michael SDec 26, 2014 07:20218250
1The Kurds are the Whey [52 words]Barry BlackSep 18, 2014 10:09218007
1Might not work [60 words]ShulSep 17, 2014 19:49217997
3Case for Kurdistan [143 words]Charlotte FriedmanSep 16, 2014 18:08217952
Kurdistan Not Possible Under Current World Circumstances [464 words]M. ToveySep 23, 2014 11:25217952
more on Kurdistan [214 words]CharlotteSep 24, 2014 07:06217952
The Middle East Will Not Be Saved Under the Current Circumstances-Kurdistan Notwithstanding [596 words]M. ToveyOct 15, 2014 18:50217952
Karma and Vietnam [604 words]Michael SJan 1, 2015 10:47217952

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