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Submitted by Michael S (United States), Aug 9, 2014 at 18:01

Hello, Daniel

It is delightful to see an article here about the conduct of the war. Normally, the last place to look for news of what's going on in a war, is news outlets of the participants; but in this case, I guess world-citizen-Jews could be considered an outside source.

Tunnels: not really news, as you say

Consensus in Israel: it is as you say

Middle Eastern response: Here I would digress. It is true that the only governmental support for HAMAS comes from Turkey and Qatar (significantly not Tunisia, which used to be the third Musketeer of the Islamist group). Popular support for violence against Israel is, however, still widespread in the Middle East. This dichotomy has made it difficult for me to follow events there. I divide the Middle East power blocs into

1. Iran, with clients Syria, Iraq, Hizbullah, the Houtis, Eritrea and Sudan

2. Saudi Arabia, with clients Kuwait, UAE, Oman, Yemen, Egypt, Jordan, Lebanon central govt, Libya, the rump "Free Syrian Army", the Moroccan king, and half Tunisia

3. Turkey, with partner Qatar, overt client HAMAS, and under-the-table clients Al Qaeda, Al Nusra, IS, Muslim Brotherhood and all the other Islamist groups, most of which are fighting each other as well as outsiders.

The Iranian group, of course, consists of religious Shi'ites and anyone else they can buy. The Sunni camp (which at the moment also includes the Omani Ibadis) is split between, on the one hand, autocratic rulers who see the Turkish group as dangerous to life and limb (the lynching of Gaddafi being a poignant reminder); and on the other hand by the absolute crazies, the Qataris who want influence to match their wealth, and the Turks -- whose delusions of grandeur are personified in Recep Tayyi Erdogan.

It is this split among the Sunnis (as you know), that is responsible for the Saudis et al to equivocate -- continuing to label the Jews as barbaric sub-humans, while at the same time giving no material help to HAMAS. That is such a delicate balancing game, I have to check the news in these countries day-to-day, to see how it currently stands. In Jordan, for instance, I would not be surprised at any time to read in the headlines that King Abdullah had been overthrown by a radical islamist coup.

Rising antisemitism: Is this really news? The frog in the kettle is being slowly heated until it cooks. Jews, frogs... it works the same for both.

Dead babies: Pallywood has a habit of using sleeping babies as "corpses", of continually recycling photos of real dead babies, and of using photos of dead babies from Syria when there aren't enough Pally ones. Nearly all Pally casualties are, as far as I've been able to pick out, young men of military age; though the few that are otherwise form the bulk of propaganda photos. I don't see how anyone with any awareness of the facts can be taken in by this stuff anymore -- which explains why the Europeans are generally so taken in.

I don't see any resolve on the part of anyone, to truly end this conflict. Everyone involved does well, to keep the BS down to a low roar, so as not to disturb my dinner.

Shalom shalom :-)


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1Did Hamas kill Palestinian children in order to built its tunnels? [13 words]
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Neville BarnesSep 10, 2014 03:31217706
Before Hamas attacks there was a .... [48 words]DaniloAug 26, 2014 02:35217418
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LudvikusAug 23, 2014 10:08217349
Israel has already lost the war [162 words]Michael SAug 22, 2014 16:09217327
Israel - Lost a War? - Hardly [205 words]M. ToveyAug 27, 2014 16:06217327
Israel: a once-proud country on the skids? [267 words]Michael S.Sep 8, 2014 19:23217327
where is the center of gravity [241 words]
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mythAug 18, 2014 07:33217230
Even-handed Saudi news treatment of Gaza [30 words]Michael S.Aug 17, 2014 17:55217211
Too optimistic. [57 words]PermReaderAug 15, 2014 12:22217172
A real change [57 words]Michael SAug 18, 2014 06:18217172
3The Hidden Premise: "Hamas wants genocide." [167 words]LudvikusAug 15, 2014 10:34217171
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In a perfect world... [243 words]Michael S.Aug 17, 2014 12:54217149
4Automatic Counter-Missile [66 words]
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LudvikusAug 14, 2014 12:58217145
I support this... well, not. [343 words]Michael S.Aug 19, 2014 17:29217145
Automatic Paint-Balling [300 words]Jon Paul HenryAug 31, 2014 16:42217145
1The Divided Islamist and Arab World [68 words]LudvikusAug 12, 2014 12:33217104
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3"THE GATES OF HELL HAVE OPENED" [110 words]LudvikusAug 12, 2014 11:19217101
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And the Blockade? [173 words]Akber ChoudhryAug 10, 2014 16:54217072
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Israeli Support for Gazans [78 words]Danny SaksAug 10, 2014 12:48217065
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2Obama is still learning, Hillary has learned her lesson, the Zero-Sum Game for Israel [301 words]LudvikusAug 10, 2014 08:37217062
100% in agreement with you here [73 words]Jon a Brit in EurolandAug 10, 2014 03:44217055
2Another view on Iron Dome [12 words]Ferren MacIntyreAug 10, 2014 03:02217054
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Middle Eastern Response ... ? [51 words]
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AlexAug 10, 2014 00:36217050
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1Star Wars objections still stand [91 words]One of the peopleAug 9, 2014 16:03217034
Other lessons [60 words]steven LAug 9, 2014 15:40217033
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1Airport closure should never be forgotten [96 words]
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EricAug 9, 2014 14:00217025
well said Daniel- as usual [19 words]JeromeAug 9, 2014 13:37217024
Iron Dome Is Great, But... [97 words]
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DemurrerAug 9, 2014 13:35217023
3Israel's morality [123 words]
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AndrewAug 9, 2014 13:22217021
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3 state solution [22 words]
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Ed HelsethAug 9, 2014 11:54217018
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