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a turkish saying goes "such amount of ignorance is only possible by special training"

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Submitted by servet cevik (Turkey), Oct 27, 2013 at 20:33

dear dhimmi,

my name is servet cevik. i live in istanbul. i own a quite successful software development company (16 employees 3.6 mm$ gross annual income as of 2012). so relax :-) no one can fire me, i am the boss. my company web site is www.cevikyazilim.com (feel free to fill out the job application form there if you are talented on java or c# or asp.net) our company address and phone numbers are also listed there if you want to verify my identity and reality. you can also lookup my name and bio in the istanbul chamber of commerce web site.

i have travelled not only all around the world but lived in us and europe and dubai for many years.

i am happily married to my kurdish wife and have two kids who speak both turkish and kurdish at home and both of my kids have turkish and kurdish names.

all long my life i have been an atheist and i have always declared it openly and publicly in turkey without any legal or social problems. there are hundreds of thousands of atheist people in turkey who not only express it but also promote it through web sites, social groups, books and magazines, associations etc. it is not illegal to be an atheist in turkey but it is illegal to insult people on their beliefs. therefore you can easily criticise islam, religious beliefs etc by using a descent tongue. so it is not like you dreaming of atheists beheaded in turkey. as you can see i always use my real name and surname with all my writings (mostly against the mainstream politics) and i never had a problem with it. turkey is not an "all islam" country in the sense that you are making it up in your mind. the only problem i have encountered due to my atheism is that i prefer not to place bids for public/state tenders since they are mostly occupied by akp (current governing islamist party) guys and i know they wont like working with me. but since i have more than enough customers in the private sector i do not make a big fuss out of it.

i am neither against kurds or armenians or jews or greeks etc. i love and respect everyone from all around the world and i do perceive "individuals" themselves not the social groups they are supposed to be belonging to ie. religions, nationalities, races, sexes. etc. search my name in this web site and find my writings on armenian and kurdish issues. i have no religious and ethnic and nationalist affiliation. i am affiliated to positivism, humanism, objectivity and neutrality.

i do not consider my self on the side of or against any nation or group of people.

there are many points i support turkey and also there are many points i criticize heavily about turkish politics and history. same is valid for kurdish movement, armenian issue, israeli politics, greek turkish relations etc. i am on the side of justice and peace not on the side of any nation or ideology even if it is my own.

as for armenian issue; no one in turkey, neither people nor the government, has never denied the fact that many armenians were either killed or deported during 1915 incidents. what the turkish people (including me) is saying that it was a war and people die in wars. it was not a genocide. it was a war that the armenians lost. and cruelty and inhumane acts were reciprocal.

never ever try to compare it to holocaust. this would be an insult and degredation to jewish holocaust.

jews were unarmed. armenians were heavily armed by the russians.

jews were innocent civilians. armenians sidelined with the approaching russiand army and backstabbed the ottomany army and betrayed their own country and army. (they were ottoman citizens)

jews did not kill germans. armenians attacked hundreds of turkish town and villages and killed hundreds of thousands of muslim population who were mostly their next door neighbours, and did all those killings with the aim of attaining their dream of establishing an armenia a false dream provocated by russia and also fueled by religious hatred of muslims and orthodox christians

jews were killed in mass in gas chambers because of their religious and ethnic identity. armenians some were killed during armed warfire and some died during forced deportation because of starvation and epidemics. forced deportation was planned and ordered by the ottoman officers and carried out by the local hamidiye troops in east anatolia and there was no other option for the ottomans to save themselves because armenians were constantly and rigorously attacking the turkish population and army to help the russians.

talking about betrayal; there were two major betrayals. one that armenians did to their own country and their next door neighbours. and one that russians did to armenians that provoking and arming and promising all financial and military aid and than abandoning the armenians when they were no more of use to russian interests. if i were an armenian i would hate russians more than turks because russians were the ones inciting armenian revolt at the beginning and then ceased all support when it was needed by armenians.

about cold blooded barbarianism; yes it was a disgusting and shameful period for both ottoman turks, kurds and armenians because there are many records and remains of "churces" and "mosques" filled by people including children and women and burned down to ashes. there are many mass graves of hundreds of skeletons found with "cross" or "crescent" neckales and bible and qoran next to them. it was not a one cruel side killing and exterminating the other innocent side. it was a disgusting war each side did most inhumane acts to the other. and eventually one side lost and one side won. one side killed more than the other side killed. but this is not genocide. this is a disgusting example of how religions are harmful for the humanity.

do i/we hate armenias now? no. just the contrary i love and respect armenians and deeply revere all the cultural and intellectual and artistic contributions that they did to our country and wish those things never happened and wish we were still together.

i hate all the kurds and turks who killed armenian civilians, women and children and hate all armenians who killed muslim civilians, women and children. when i think of those i sometimes wish there was really a god and that a hell really exists and that all ultra nationalistic and religious turks and kurds and armenians who killed the innocents of the other side to rot in this hell forever together with each other.

as the saying goes when elephants are having sex it is the grass under their feet that is tormented. and it was the local population of anatolia both muslims and orthodox who suffered when world powers were having a world war with each other.

i urge all sides to be honest and stop telling only one side of the story. i also urge both sides to stop making a profit from the blood of their grandfathers. and making this one of the saddest part of history a tool for their own current political ambitions.

i can write much more on the subject but i am fed up with those "genocide-claim-salesman" who is delusioned and obsessed with the issue, that i no more find them worth answering.

servet cevik

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Title Commenter Date Thread
2Kurdish Independence [130 words]emmettOct 1, 2013 11:46210162
2Putting The Record Straight [150 words]MozereOct 2, 2013 03:26210162
2Turkish imperialism and delusions [591 words]dhimmi no moreOct 26, 2013 10:27210162
about janissaries [61 words]servet cevikOct 28, 2013 14:44210162
yeni ceri [39 words]roger spleenOct 29, 2013 06:05210162
1The Janissaries were abducted Christian boys! What a crime [229 words]dhimmi no moreNov 1, 2013 07:37210162
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4The Kurds should have their own country [138 words]dhimmi no moreSep 29, 2013 07:57210125
3do your math carefully [319 words]servet cevikOct 14, 2013 16:21210125
3The Kurds and the barbarians [321 words]dhimmi no moreOct 20, 2013 07:56210125
5facts rule over our personal ideas and wishes [393 words]servet cevikOct 22, 2013 04:24210125
4The Kurds and the barbarians part two [904 words]dhimmi no moreOct 23, 2013 07:25210125
1Empires [142 words]Kemal TarikOct 25, 2013 18:00210125
3Exposing Turkish propagandists [48 words]dhimmi no moreOct 27, 2013 07:33210125
8a turkish saying goes "such amount of ignorance is only possible by special training" [1247 words]servet cevikOct 27, 2013 20:33210125
And there is a Kuffar saying: The Turks murdered millions of Armenians and Greeks and Syrians and they still deny it [65 words]dhimmi no moreOct 29, 2013 08:28210125

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