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Submitted by Mark Werfel (United States), Feb 12, 2013 at 20:17

How could ANYONE truly believe that the results occurring in the Middle East from our adventures there (and everywhere else for decades) are or were unexpected? We lost lives and treasure for nothing, and the people there are unchanged. Our only interest is protecting the USA, and we did not apply military power in any way that could achieve the objective of defeating the enemy's will to inflict harm on us. Why so? Because we didn't identify fundamentalist Islam as the enemy; and we did not attack THEIR symbols of power with our military. The claim was to fight them there instead of here -- we fought some of them ineffectively there, and they're here anyway -- one in a US Army major's uniform -- on trial after murdering fellow soldiers. Some patriotic Americans died, and some got rich. Instead of "Millions for defense, but not one cent for tribute," we pay OPEC and fund the terror war against us.

In March 1785, Thomas Jefferson and John Adams went to London to negotiate with Tripoli's envoy, Ambassador Sidi Haji Abdrahaman. Upon inquiring "concerning the ground of the pretensions to make war upon nations who had done them no injury", the ambassador replied:

It was written in their Koran, that all nations which had not acknowledged the Prophet were sinners, whom it was the right and duty of the faithful to plunder and enslave; and that every mussulman who was slain in this warfare was sure to go to paradise.

American Peace Commissioners to John Jay," March 28, 1786, "Thomas Jefferson Papers," Series 1. General Correspondence. 1651–1827, Library of Congress. LoC: March 28, 1786 (handwritten).

Get it folks?


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Babes in the woods......... [60 words]Kenneth Duke MastersMar 8, 2013 14:38204126
naive policy [30 words]Fred SchwartzFeb 15, 2013 17:36203538
7More on Major Nidal [123 words]Mark WerfelFeb 14, 2013 08:30203496
The plan all along [188 words]DEBORAH THE JUDGEFeb 13, 2013 18:45203471
1Innocents Abroad Build Foreign Armies [12 words]SOLFeb 13, 2013 10:32203450
Ben Franklin was the last... [151 words]DmitryFeb 13, 2013 09:59203449
Mark Twain Nodding In Agreement. [40 words]Charles GriffithFeb 13, 2013 04:30203442
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11Tell me, who is surprised? [277 words]Mark WerfelFeb 12, 2013 20:17203432
2Fundamentalist Islam as America's strategic ally [142 words]IanusFeb 14, 2013 02:38203432
2The War on Terror [29 words]Howard MarksFeb 14, 2013 21:56203432
4Do Allies Cheat or Kill Friends? [419 words]Mark WerfelFeb 15, 2013 00:08203432
2"Who can we trust, in the end? Who is telling us the truth?" - Two most fundamental questions [236 words]IanusFeb 16, 2013 05:08203432
OPEC oil imports into US declining [132 words]Howard MarksFeb 19, 2013 09:24203432
And we PAY these people [25 words]EthanPFeb 12, 2013 19:33203430
3No insanity , a method [149 words]IanusFeb 14, 2013 03:21203430
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