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Being Held Accountable for Actions of One, Actions of All - Who Ultimately Pays

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Submitted by M. Tovey (United States), May 2, 2011 at 17:26

Let us first make something clear: no one has the actual figures as to whom the blame for the most deaths by a national entity is identified: Even as the numbers of those who dies in WW II were in the millions upon millions, many of those were already dead before the United States even entered that war. By a conservative estimate, Stalin appears to be the lead for that period of time. And if one is going to play tit for tat, motives are to be examined before manslaughter is called murder. Otherwise how would one call the difference of the deaths of a Shiites by a Sunni and vice versa? How many deaths by Saddam Hussein versus the Iranian Government in their eight year altercation were recorded before the United States entered into that fray in the nineties?

Now, to be sure, the United States has been involved in bloodshed for quite some time, and even to the extent that the motives of certain actions can be called into question. It is expected and inevitable from the minimum standpoint that the individual humanity of participants in those instances revealed a lesser acknowledged qualification, that of the sin nature in all of humanity. The Holy Bible has a verse that carries that point home, in James (the half brother of Jesus Christ). [4:1) Where do wars and fights come from among you? Do they not come from your desires for pleasure that war in your members? 4:2) You lust and do not have. You murder and covet and cannot obtain. You fight and war. Yet you do not have because you do not ask.]

Now the United States is a mere couple hundred years or so in national identity; but even as there are more industrious ways developed to slaughter in these modern times, the U.S has a long ways to go before catching up to the truly murderous regimes of the former Soviet Union, former Nationalist Socialist Germany, or the several hundreds of years of domination in the Asian continent.

Now it is strange that as this is being written, the world is in wonder that the United States has finally caught up with the single most defined enemy of the United States in a long time, and he is dead. It was by most accounts a long time in coming, and strange by virtue of the fact that the laugh has been on the U.S. for not being able to get through Islamic secrecy to find that the leader of al-Qaeda was under the military cover of Pakistan. We are in war in Afghanistan under what I believed to be the presumption that was where bin Laden could be found. Should we have been in war against Pakistan instead of being in Afghanistan? More to the point, I am quite certain the prevailing sentiment of most of the Asian Muslim world is that he is a martyr and should be avenged, while it is believed here in American this is in answer to the call for justice for the lives of civilians lost September 11, 2011.

Bin Laden chose his targets poorly; for targeting civilians and trying to legitimize them militarily did not bode well for the Germans in World War 2, and it did not bode well for bin Laden now. Lives lost in the calamity of war will never be acceptable to a civilized management of society, but it is well written that those to whom war is a first choice to press an issue had better make sure they can make it to the end. This is even true of the United States. The caution is that Islam will be held just as accountable; and even at an uncountable billion or so lives of Muslims in the world today, one wonders how many of those will be lost because some lost sight of what peace truly means. One cannot have peace while planning and going to war all the time. This is a lesson that bin Laden apparently did not learn.

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El mundo moderno no llega todavía a estos lugares [129 words]Angel OterosDec 25, 2011 18:34192025
Gender had nothing to do with it. [100 words]MikeyApr 27, 2011 03:18184600
Bouazizi's story [19 words]Cal RollinsApr 26, 2011 14:49184586
One step [26 words]John BApr 22, 2011 07:37184501
Bouazizi and Fadiya [69 words]Frank LukeApr 21, 2011 13:03184470
freedom in the Islamic world [51 words]concernedApr 21, 2011 09:11184465
2A good dream or a nightmare? [91 words]NuritGApr 21, 2011 02:06184461
Their own brothers prefer to die than live with them. [179 words]batya daganApr 20, 2011 19:47184457
The people may ignite the flame, but who carries the torch? [227 words]saraApr 20, 2011 17:58184453
1democrazy [56 words]JanApr 21, 2011 13:07184453
7Islamic hypocrisy big time [157 words]dhimmi no moreApr 26, 2011 08:26184453
how original [30 words]Amin RiazApr 30, 2011 02:51184453
Islamic drivel [91 words]dhimmi no moreMay 1, 2011 05:58184453
4We are all Khaled Said (Sa3eed) [117 words]dhimmi no moreApr 20, 2011 17:24184451
Khalid said [47 words]janApr 21, 2011 13:12184451
2Islamic drivel [154 words]dhimmi no moreApr 26, 2011 08:18184451
2Underlying Reasons for Unrest Not Fully Evident in Original Incident [344 words]M. ToveyApr 20, 2011 12:31184449
2Arab cultural problems [38 words]Fabian PascalApr 20, 2011 23:36184449
2Exactly right Fabian [200 words]saraApr 21, 2011 17:13184449
Worse than that [23 words]Fabian PascalApr 21, 2011 18:13184449
4Islam will have to face the real world [383 words]PrashantApr 24, 2011 01:35184449
Are you being serious [59 words]Amin RiazApr 30, 2011 03:03184449
Why do the Muslims hate Western Leaders and consider them Hypocrites... [54 words]
w/response from Daniel Pipes
abdulla alHarbiApr 20, 2011 11:07184446
Grief? [41 words]KerryApr 20, 2011 10:01184444
Have some sense, Luv [48 words]Amin RiazApr 30, 2011 03:05184444
3And have you counted how many Hindus were killed by Muslims? [81 words]dhimmi no moreMay 1, 2011 06:37184444
Being Held Accountable for Actions of One, Actions of All - Who Ultimately Pays [677 words]M. ToveyMay 2, 2011 17:26184444
fairy tales. [13 words]Amin RiazMay 2, 2011 22:07184444
90Women just as tyrannical as men in the Arab world ... [238 words]ShishirApr 20, 2011 09:22184442
The Muslim women are tyrranical like their counterparts [34 words]aktApr 16, 2012 01:02184442
2Mohammed Bouazizi no Jan Palach or Ryszard Siwiec [222 words]MariaApr 20, 2011 09:17184441
Problems where there is no problem! [133 words]PrashantApr 25, 2011 03:41184441

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