3 readers online now  |  69 million page views

My optimism about Europe

Reader comment on item: My Optimism About Europe
in response to reader comment: Those harsh and biting realities

Submitted by sufi imdad ali soomro (Pakistan), Feb 17, 2011 at 23:31

The alleged torture of Kinana Ibn Rabi Ibn Al-Huqaiq

The story as narrated in Ibn IssHaaq's book: Kinana al-Rabi (a Jew), who had the custody of the treasure of Banu Nadir (Jewish Tribe), was brought to the Messenger (Prophet Mohammad) who asked him about it. He denied knowing where it was. A Jew came (Tabari says "was brought"), to the Messenger and said that he had seen Kinana going round a certain ruin every early morning. When the Messenger said to Kinana, "Do you know that if we find you have it, I shall kill you?" He said "Yes". The Messenger gave orders that the ruin was to be excavated and some of the treasure was found. When he asked him about the rest, he refused to produce it, so the Messenger ordered Al-Zubayr Al-Awwam, "Torture him until you extract what he has." So he (Al-Zubayr) kindled a fire with flint and steel on his chest until he (Kinana) was nearly dead. Then, the Messenger delivered him (Kinana) to Muhammad bin Maslama who struck off his head, in revenge for his brother Mahmud. (Ibn IssHaaq, page 515)

There is no Isnad (chain of transmitters) for this story. Islam prohibits torture so it is impossible that he was tortured. Most likely, this false story was circulated by the Jews to discredit Islam. Only Ibn IssHaq and Tabari (Historian) narrated it in their books.

Western non-Muslim researchers also criticized Ibn IssHaaq:

"False ascription was rife among the 8th century scholars (versus Bukhari who lived in the 9th century) and that in any case Ibn Ishaq and contemporaries were drawing on oral traditions." ( Cook, M: Muhammad, Oxford 1983. pg. 65)

Even the famous Polemist and anti-Islam author Robert Spencer admits in his book The Truth about Muhammad , that "However, Ibn Ishaq's life of Muhammad is so unashamedly hagiographical that its accuracy is questionable." (Spencer, Robert: The Truth about Muhammad, Regnery Publishers, 2006 pg. 25) Despite his negative opinion regarding Ibn IssHaaq, out of the 400 footnotes of Robert Spencer's book, 120 footnotes refer to fabricated stories from Ibn Ishaq's book. Because Robert Spencer hates Islam so much that he is willing to present these stories as if they are true, even though he knows that their source is unreliable.

Dear, I am optimistic and believe in science and other philosophies. I am not a rigid and conservative Muslim. In fact, I have firm faith in unity of Allah and Muhammad (PBUH) as a last messenger of Allah. I always respects for others. My assistant is Christians and prior to him, my assistant was Hindu. I can engage myself in dialogue to convince you or some else to read or refer authentic books in order to reach logical conclusion.

For rest observations or statements which forwarded by you are self denial. I am law student and having done M.A English Literature is quite aware about social and political conditions of Europe. US and its agencies are creating false notion about various organizations in order to rife fear and terror. Nov body is asking from US agencies why they have failed to capture Osama or any other stalwart of Al-Qaeda. Why US remained safe while European and East Asian states are under the grip of terrorism. Why we do not see any active member of Alqeada in Kashmir and Palestine where Muslims are being killed mercilessly. But we see terrorist attacks in Mumbai. We see in Pakistan terrorist's attacks on Mosque, police stations, military headquarters, hotels but not on cinemas and theaters.


Note: Opinions expressed in comments are those of the authors alone and not necessarily those of Daniel Pipes. Original writing only, please. Comments are screened and in some cases edited before posting. Reasoned disagreement is welcome but not comments that are scurrilous, off-topic, commercial, disparaging religions, or otherwise inappropriate. For complete regulations, see the "Guidelines for Reader Comments".

Submit a comment on this item

<< Previous Comment      Next Comment >>

Reader comments (66) on this item

Title Commenter Date Thread
Optimism about Europe [134 words]Nelson T D'SilvaMar 14, 2011 04:39183410
8Our Real Enemy [446 words]julietsmFeb 25, 2011 07:05182959
4julietsm is quite right (for Islamists name of the game is hypocrisy) [225 words]GopiFeb 28, 2011 02:51182959
2Optimism about Europe [84 words]Nelson T D'SilvaFeb 22, 2011 20:00182891
10We need to take radical steps sooner rather than later [261 words]MathildaFeb 21, 2011 15:31182856
2Some Hope [151 words]Mike KurtzigFeb 15, 2011 09:11182695
3When will these countries take back their countries. [79 words]batya daganFeb 13, 2011 22:19182641
1My Optimism About Europe [2335 words]Ed Melik, Esq.Feb 13, 2011 02:28182599
5Cherry picking time [207 words]dhimmi no moreFeb 15, 2011 08:05182599
5What of IslamicImperialism? [271 words]Kepha HorFeb 22, 2011 11:09182599
2Don't be fooled by David Cameron [85 words]DurotriganFeb 12, 2011 10:51182578
1no leadership here [119 words]mythFeb 12, 2011 07:43182575
4Strong speeches need strong actions [199 words]Frank LukeFeb 10, 2011 13:55182514
4actions speak louder than words [170 words]yahudieFeb 21, 2011 22:15182514
My optimism about Europe [257 words]sufi imdad ali soomroFeb 10, 2011 01:31182505
3Misery [118 words]FreethinkerFeb 14, 2011 12:25182505
My optimism about Europe [181 words]sufi imdad ali soomroFeb 14, 2011 23:19182505
3sufi imdad ali soomro repeats a lie [228 words]GopalFeb 15, 2011 23:22182505
4Islam is a religion of war originally [59 words]MaxFeb 16, 2011 06:34182505
My optisism about Europe [172 words]sufi imdad ali soomroFeb 17, 2011 00:35182505
3Those harsh and biting realities [918 words]JeffFeb 17, 2011 13:22182505
My optimism about Europe [589 words]sufi imdad ali soomroFeb 17, 2011 23:31182505
1Overrating islam and slandering the US [87 words]Januk36Feb 18, 2011 10:44182505
4Another victim of Arabian imperialism [228 words]dhimmi no moreFeb 19, 2011 16:19182505
2My self-denial about your optimism [590 words]JeffFeb 24, 2011 12:56182505
My optimism about Europe [260 words]sufi imdad ali soomroMar 1, 2011 03:37182505
1Islamic terrorism and Q8:60 [160 words]dhimmi no moreMar 2, 2011 06:59182505
3About you, sufi imdad [100 words]IQMar 4, 2011 21:37182505
which history book are you reading? [254 words]abdirisak ishakMar 5, 2011 09:04182505
2To abdirisak [98 words]IQMar 6, 2011 01:47182505
My optimism about Europe [354 words]sufi imdad ali soomroMar 7, 2011 00:54182505
respect [239 words]abdirisak ishakMar 11, 2011 21:06182505
4Islam is and was a religion of war AND slavery [267 words]JamesMar 12, 2011 10:13182505
your fears are your greatest falls [402 words]abdirisak ishakMar 12, 2011 20:00182505
5England's colonial past [393 words]JamesMar 17, 2011 10:07182505
4Muhammad's other biography is called "The invasions" He was not the Buddha for sure [58 words]dhimmi no moreMar 20, 2011 07:27182505
2Another victim of Arabian imperialism [320 words]dhimmi no moreMar 20, 2011 07:44182505
2Arabian imperialism and its victims [178 words]dhimmi no moreMar 20, 2011 07:58182505
1africa is a true victim of arabic, european and now american imperialism [781 words]abdirisak ishakMar 26, 2011 20:50182505
3Another victim of Arabian imperialism from Africa [295 words]dhimmi no moreMar 30, 2011 13:13182505
1Greetings from one of those "worse than the Arabs [904 words]JeffApr 5, 2011 13:06182505
1Not so optimistic [234 words]philFeb 9, 2011 23:28182503
5Future Confrontations with Islamists [355 words]Kim BruceFeb 9, 2011 13:13182494
at last [52 words]Thomas HowardFeb 9, 2011 10:55182490
2Building Up to the Moment - Gaining the Upper Hand in Islam vs Christianity in the Future [500 words]M. ToveyFeb 8, 2011 18:46182461
7would be nice [158 words]AnnaFeb 8, 2011 17:04182458
8Response to "Would Be Nice" [108 words]ShirleyAnn AddyFeb 9, 2011 10:13182458
The US has faced such threats before [89 words]MichaelFeb 17, 2011 04:12182458
2Response to the US has faced such threats before by Michael [72 words]Shirley Ann AddyFeb 18, 2011 11:14182458
But do we have time? [63 words]NeelieFeb 8, 2011 16:58182457
6My Optimism about Europe. Brits are Fed Up. [137 words]AnneFeb 8, 2011 15:35182454
2When will Great Britain remember the European history? [119 words]TeresaFeb 11, 2011 01:11182454
1My Optimism about Europe, Brits are fed Up. There is a lot to learn. response to Teresa. [140 words]AnneFeb 11, 2011 22:53182454
2Compatiblity of cultures on one country [297 words]TeresaFeb 15, 2011 04:05182454
1There is alot to learn. Too bad it has to be that way. response to Theresa [177 words]AnneFeb 16, 2011 22:36182454
2I wish I felt as optimistic as you Mr Pipes, until Cameron ditches the human rights act nothing will change. [436 words]disillusionedFeb 22, 2011 10:29182454
1Brits are Fed Up. There is a lot to learn- response to Disillusioned. [180 words]AnneFeb 25, 2011 08:23182454
4If only voting changed things. [573 words]disillusionedFeb 26, 2011 08:20182454
1Brits are Fed up and Disillusioned- Look to a higher power that is coming. response to Disillusioned [243 words]AnneFeb 27, 2011 08:15182454
7Defeating Islamism [31 words]Clifford IshiiFeb 8, 2011 15:07182451
Error in judgment [92 words]olog-haiFeb 8, 2011 13:44182447
3Caveat [47 words]Judy HershonFeb 8, 2011 13:44182446
4IT IS ABOUT TIME EUROPE WAKES UP [132 words]JACQUES HADIDAFeb 8, 2011 13:42182445
5Anti-Islamic sentiments [23 words]MahendraFeb 8, 2011 12:43182443
1Optimist beware [20 words]Al RamyFeb 8, 2011 12:15182440
4Prime Minister David Cameron's Speech [95 words]ShirleyAnn AddyFeb 8, 2011 11:17182437

Comment on this item

Mark my comment as a response to My optimism about Europe by sufi imdad ali soomro

Email me if someone replies to my comment

Note: Opinions expressed in comments are those of the authors alone and not necessarily those of Daniel Pipes. Original writing only, please. Comments are screened and in some cases edited before posting. Reasoned disagreement is welcome but not comments that are scurrilous, off-topic, commercial, disparaging religions, or otherwise inappropriate. For complete regulations, see the "Guidelines for Reader Comments".

See recent outstanding comments.

Follow Daniel Pipes

Facebook   Twitter   RSS   Join Mailing List


eXTReMe Tracker

All materials by Daniel Pipes on this site: © 1968-2020 Daniel Pipes. daniel.pipes@gmail.com and @DanielPipes

Support Daniel Pipes' work with a tax-deductible donation to the Middle East Forum.Daniel J. Pipes

(The MEF is a publicly supported, nonprofit organization under section 501(c)3 of the Internal Revenue Code.

Contributions are tax deductible to the full extent allowed by law. Tax-ID 23-774-9796, approved Apr. 27, 1998.

For more information, view our IRS letter of determination.)