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This is much bigger than Donald Trump, or any leader.

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Submitted by Michael S, Jan 17, 2017 at 18:32

Hello, Marlan

You have certainly described the TRAJECTORY or Islamism in Euorpe, while at the same time noting that Donald Trump might change the direction of things.

I don't believe that Donald Trump, or any world leader, can suddenly change the course that Islamism is headed on. A few days ago, I had it explained to me this way:

Islam is undergoing a Reformation, similar to the Christian Reformation of the 1500s. In both cases, people are turning from centuries of rule by religious leaders who have become corrupt and otherwise disappointed the masses. Those religious leaders have, for centuries, neglected the teaching of the original scriptures (the Bible and Qur'an, respectively), substituting traditions which, in many ways, do not resemble the original. The Christian Reformation led to "Early New Testament Church" movements, a return to fundamentals and the abandonment of varying amounts of traditional practices. The Muslim Reformation, likewise, has led to "Early Islamism", the world-conquering teachings of Muhammed.

The Christian Reformation was marred by extended periods of warfare and civil strife, most notoriously the Thirty Years' War, in which perhaps the German population died. The Islamic Reformation has followed a similar course. Eventually, the Protestant Reformation degenerated into apostasy from Christianity altogether: The parts of Germany that had supported Luther and the reforms became the heartland of National Socialism and Adolf Hitler; Russia and its neighbors embraced atheism and Stalinist Communism, which later spread to take over China, North Korea, Laos, Cambodia and Cuba. At present, Western Europe and America are in the throes of politically correct confusion, having rejected their former moral underpinnings.

If that is what happened to Christianity, which was based on the teachings of one who advocated peace and love, can we expect something better from the adherents of the violent, despicable Muhammed? Daniel Pipes is right, in expecting that Islam is undergoing and will continue to undergo a change; but I do not expect any phase of that change to be for the better.

This is much bigger than Donald Trump, or any leader. Trump will do well, to influence the direction of Europe and America; but changing Islam would require centuries -- and at that, it would probably not be for the better.


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Title Commenter Date Thread
Predicting surprises [165 words]PezDispenserJan 19, 2017 10:46235557
Opressing Attempts in outhern Europe [52 words]F. HernandezJan 18, 2017 12:22235495
Amnesty International slams Europe (!), while French PM predicts a state of emergency for a generation [74 words]PezDispenserJan 17, 2017 16:20235446
1Probably all wrong ? [63 words]marlanJan 16, 2017 03:16235409
This is much bigger than Donald Trump, or any leader. [371 words]Michael SJan 17, 2017 18:32235409
1I disagree with your prediction [269 words]Humpery ShiplessJan 16, 2017 02:04235407
Another surprise, swaths of Muslim nations declaring themselves atheists. [54 words]
w/response from Daniel Pipes
AVJan 15, 2017 18:22235397
Muslim Expulsion from Europe [62 words]
w/response from Daniel Pipes
Nazim AbdullayevJan 15, 2017 11:27235390
2The "Palestinian" problem affects very little in the world [83 words]Michael SJan 17, 2017 18:38235390
Reader Nazim Abdullayev said the right thing [313 words]PrashantJan 17, 2017 20:23235390
an almost Final Solution [66 words]Mohammed Waza Khiddif id'UllahJan 18, 2017 03:26235390
Europe does not have a good prognosis [324 words]Michael SJan 19, 2017 00:37235390
Optimism or a mere pipe dream? [171 words]WartyJan 15, 2017 06:56235388
2We Shall See what will Manifest [123 words]Michael Hanni MorcosJan 15, 2017 01:52235383
the impending implosion of the umma [135 words]fredJan 14, 2017 21:40235377
More pessimism is warranted re Islamism in Europe [166 words]
w/response from Daniel Pipes
Lorna SalzmanJan 14, 2017 18:45235371
Haman's symposium to start Jan. 15 [886 words]Michael SJan 14, 2017 17:51235370
Heartening News Indeed, Thank You. [101 words]Eamonn GavinJan 14, 2017 16:17235366
My prayer [105 words]Allan CookJan 14, 2017 16:10235365
from your mouth to God's ear [46 words]
w/response from Daniel Pipes
RIchard A LandesJan 14, 2017 15:48235363

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