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The Copts of Egypt

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Submitted by dhimmi no more (United States), Aug 25, 2012 at 08:48

Hi Ianus

I do not have any doubt that the real victims of our support for the Muslim brotherhood in Egypt are the Copts and they are the largest Christian minority in the Middle East that survived the atrocity called Islam and the islamization of Egypt

It is just amazing that historians of early islam in Egypt are discovering the horrible price paid by Egyptians after the Arab invasion of Egypt and that the country was in ruins for 300-400 years and the great city of Alexandria was in ruins and inspite of all this the Copts survived despite of Islam and on the micro level historians come across the atrocities of Islam in Egypt including the Bashmour uprising http://www.amazon.com/Man-Bashmour-Modern-Arabic-Literature/dp/9774161092/ref=sr_1_1?s=books&ie=UTF8&qid=1345897247&sr=1-1&keywords=the+man+from+bashmour that was neglected by the Arab historians and therefore was unknown to western historians and what is indeed very telling is the fact that it took a novelist to explore this tragedy that is not even known even among historians in Egypt

What is most amazing is that the population of Egypt in 642CE is estimated to be around 7-8M and wnen the French landed in Alexandria in 1798 CE the population of Alexandria that used to be 400000-600000 on the eve of the Arab invasion was down to 4000 and the poulation of Egypt was down to 2M!!

And even archaeology is revealing the destruction inflicted by the Arabs and of Egyptians abandoning their homes as in the case of the city of Jeme in Upper Egypt http://www.amazon.com/Women-Jeme-Antique-Ancient-Cultures/dp/0472096125/ref=sr_1_1?s=books&ie=UTF8&qid=1345897159&sr=1-1&keywords=the+women+of+jeme and without archaeology of the site and the many literary papyri and ostraca and epigraphy that allowed historians to reconstruct this dark chapter in the history of the Copts we would have been basking in the bogus claim that Islam is tolerant and the civilization of early islam was opulent and non destructive

What is most amazing about early Islam in Egypt is that there were no palaces and no gardens and no great avenues the likes of the Via Canopica and the Soma and no Agoras and to add inslut to injury the Arabs brought with them their herds of sheep which were set free to feed and destroy the agricultural land owned by the Copts and which led to the Copts abandoing their lands because they still had to pay the Jizya and the kharaj taxes and the population declined from about 7-8M during late Byzantine Egypt and what I can call the "dark ages" of Egypt and that is the first 300-400 yeqrs of islam in Egypt

Oh buildings and mosques in early islamic Egypt? Hardly any. The Amr ibn al-As mosque was built in the late 7th century and the Ibn Tulun Mosque can be dated to the 10th century and that is it which means that the Arabs were in Egypt to destroy it and no more

Even rational Muslims the likes of Sayyid al-Qemni http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4Z_W2YF4VJI who is a historian and who wants Egyptians to regard the Arab invasion as no more than a chapter in the history of Egypt and that the Arab invasion was no more than colonialism and imperialism and no more. The poor man had to leave Egypt for a period because of the threats from the followers of the religion of peace

So what do the Arabs call the Arab invasion of Egypt? It is called the absurd futh masr of the opening of Egypt! How absurd

In spite of all these atrocities the Copts survived but I do think that we might be seeing the end of the original Egyprtians and they will either immigrate of convert to islam and how sad and this is why Copts have no doubt that they should not expect any help from Hilary Clinton and this is why they refused to have anything to do with her when she visited Egypt and met with the clueless Morsi

We live in very interesting times


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