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Submitted by archimedes2 (Canada), Apr 16, 2007 at 13:48

Hi UCBPS (if I may call you that). Good thing you waved around your credentials, as there would have been no way to tell how emminently qualified you were to judge Pipes' test if you hadn't. You criticize the test on the basis that its questions are points of contention within Islam.

Well, this shows two things: First, Pipes is very well aware of issues relating to the islamist/jihadist agenda within the Islamic world. And, why not -- after all he also holds a PhD in a related field, so he must inhabit the intellectual stratosphere along with mental giants like you and me. (/irony)

Second, Pipes understands what, apparently, your academic credentials and prestigious position has failed to teach you: that *IF* there is a distinction between dangerously radical and/or violent muslims and muslims who stand opposed to them, one can *ONLY* discriminate between them by drawing along lines that are points of contention within the Islamic world. You see, Pipes is not looking for a distinction between those *falsely* identified as muslims, who are evil, violent men, and *true* muslims, who are peaceful and well-meaning toward unbelievers. There are many non-muslim extremists, but they are a different kettle of fish, and quite irrelevant to the question.

Pipes is looking for a way to make a distintion between two hypothetical groups of people, both of whom can only be identified as muslims, but some of whom are terrorists or follow a radical Islamist agenda, and others of whom are prepared to live tolerantly and peacefully in a pluralistic society. As you well know, it is extremely difficult to make this distinction, particularly for a westerner unaccustomed to Islamist doublespeak, and partly so because instead of labouring to make it easier to discriminate between the malignant and benign varieties, most muslims and their non-muslim apologists in the west prefer to spend their efforts attacking anyone who tries to clarify the distinction. I wonder: is it because you yourself see no distintion?

Why is it, whenever Pipes or Spencer, or whoever, comes to town and says "we're not against all muslims, but we clearly condemn radical Islamists and Islamic terrorists", muslims and left-wing moonbats come out of the woodwork and call them "Islamophobes". I have come to the conclusion that this is not because these experts are "islamophobes" (whatever that means) but because these particular muslims and left-wing moonbats themselves make no distinction between Islamists and terrorists, on the one hand, and the general population of muslims, on the other.

So, if presenting all muslims as terrorists and Islamist extremists is "Islamophobia", then -- I argue that it is these muslims and left-wing moonbats who refuse to make this critical distinction within the world of islam (for which a small, shouted-down moderate muslim minority is fighting) who are the true Islamophobes.

Submitting....

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Title Commenter Date Thread
1Passing Daniel Pipes' test should be mandatory to be called a decent modern person [87 words]PrashantJan 24, 2017 04:28235748
What "failed" means [136 words]FwazApr 21, 2013 09:49205368
1You must fail...or you aren't a Muslim [55 words]MarcusAug 21, 2010 09:12177043
I failed the test as well...Al Hamdulillah [6 words]Islam Will PrevailAug 5, 2010 01:09176357
I failed :D [40 words]JasmineMay 7, 2009 09:18155068
1how can I take the test, I wanna fail it too! [11 words]murhafJan 16, 2010 16:23155068
Hamza Yusuf a patsy? [46 words]graemeJul 25, 2010 07:43155068
Defining Islam [29 words]JCSep 9, 2008 10:54138177
4I like Hamza Yusuf, from an Orthodox Christian [75 words]EliasJun 28, 2008 11:33133689
I Failed, Yessss!!!! [26 words]SaqibJun 1, 2009 17:48133689
my high model [23 words]adnanJan 24, 2008 19:50118917
brother hamza i think you are doing a great job out there. [79 words]amal hassanDec 29, 2007 21:03117094
Hi Hamza, I have some further questions [650 words]ArchimedesApr 16, 2007 13:2189401
Takfir is not the solution [206 words]JohanNov 19, 2011 11:5289401
2zaytuna.org [275 words]SubriahOct 25, 2006 23:0364509
Hamza [162 words]DavidOct 26, 2006 22:3164509
Read this. [755 words]SubriahOct 27, 2006 21:5064509
1Thanks for your comments Subriah [1365 words]Archimedes2Apr 17, 2007 11:0064509
Interesting. [351 words]Anoy.Apr 21, 2007 07:3264509
Stick to breakfast cereal; it's more nutritious [608 words]Archimedes2Apr 22, 2007 23:3764509
Shorter response [141 words]Archimedes2Apr 23, 2007 09:4464509
2Hamza is not Islam [221 words]NisreinApr 26, 2007 20:5764509
there's only one Islam [930 words]KhalilSep 14, 2006 10:0755920
Hamza Yusuf in NPR glowpiece [43 words]Charlie QuidnuncSep 11, 2006 15:1555564
unfair test [9 words]randyAug 21, 2006 19:5453648
test..proves what??so hamza yusuf didnt pass daniels test...big deal he is not a perfect person.. [133 words]aliAug 9, 2006 00:2352150
Failed the test! [84 words]Harald Yahya KöppingApr 20, 2006 03:1243634
may God bless your efforts [60 words]
w/response from Daniel Pipes
EimadApr 18, 2006 22:2343534
What Exactly Does This Test Measure? [38 words]UC Berkeley Political ScientistMar 10, 2006 19:2139679
1Reply from a fellow Professor with PhD [470 words]archimedes2Apr 16, 2007 13:4839679
Not getting it [141 words]Khuram HussainJan 5, 2006 18:1631141
l love you Hamza Yusuf one [51 words]khalooApr 15, 2007 06:0131141
respect note [29 words]leen al_masriJun 2, 2009 08:2931141

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