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Submitted by Amah Jones (United States), Jan 22, 2016 at 18:00

Read This: "Banu Shaiba descend from the Hashem clan of the Quraysh. He is what would have been called "white" or clear complexioned black man "white" is supposed to have meant a black with a clear complexion with a brownish undertone or one that is light and clear enough that doesn't show any black blotchiness.

"White" did not mean a fair skinned person, but as with Hebrew whitness dealt with luminousity of the complexion "not chromacity" (See Goldenberg, David, The Curse of Ham, p. 93) and see what early Arab linguists said about how the term "white" was used for black men in his book The Unknown Arabs or on his blog savethetruearabs.com. You can buy his book there too.

The Banu Shaiba are derived from a man named Shaiba who was of the Hashemite "famille ou dominait le sang negre" from Etudes sur le Cycles des Omayyades." 1930

That is to say he was from the Banu Hashem family where "black blood" has dominated due to not wanting to mix with foreigners like the Syrian, Iranian and Byzantine people then surrounding them. All sub-clans of the Quraysh until a late period were noted for their blackness. This includes Banu Zuhra, Jumah, Makzumi, as well as the Kenaniyyah clans they derived from.

Muhammed's uncles on both maternal and paternal sides are described as black. Tariq quoted Uncle Saad ibn Waqqas a famous leader, brother of the Prophet's mother. He is described as black and very tall with a flat nose by el Dhahabi. He was of pure Arabian stock.

You will never see a movie on Al Jazair made about the Quraysh in the Middle East as they looked. Believe me.

All members of the family of Muhamed (pbuh)when they are described are described as black in early Arabic writings. Many individuals from various clans of the Quraysh aside from cousins and grandparents of the Prophet are called black-skinned - and understand when one talks about "black" in Arabic you are not necessarily talking about the black of an African American but a literally black person.

Tariq quotes 9th c. Jahiz of Iraq and 14th c. el Dhahabi of Syria and calling an uncle on the other side "huge and black-skinned". And yet today most people would have a big problem with a depiction of Muhammed as a black man although he came from a black tribe descended from other documented black tribes.

Even the poet Rumi made the comment that to Middle Eastern Arabized people in his time - you dare to insult black people when the pure Arabs of the Prophet's family still live when their blood had been tainted by the (Rum).

Black or Adam - was the color of the early Arab or Semite and "shadeed al udmah" jet black and "akhdar" near black (literally green) like many tribes across the modern Sudan extending toward the Atlantic.

The fact that these blacks brought their language northward in various times and that other people came to speak their languages does not modify this truth." http://www.egyptsearch.com/forums/ultimatebb.cgi?ubb=print_topic;f=8;t=006877


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Daniel Pipes replies:

Interesting and learned; but note that by "black soldiers," I meant Africans.

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