To Sohail: Tying yourself up in knots
Submitted by Plato (United Arab Emirates), Apr 13, 2007 at 05:39
"Here is verse 3:85 and 3:86:
If anyone desires a religion other than Islam (submission to Allah), never will it be accepted of him; and in the Hereafter He will be in the ranks of those who have lost (All spiritual good). How shall Allah Guide those who reject Faith after they accepted it and bore witness that the Messenger was true and that Clear Signs had come unto them? but Allah guides not a people unjust. Quran 3:85-6
The verses talks about the apostates."
Is it really talking about apostates Sohail? Verse 3:85 starts with 'If anyone desires...' Anyone does not mean apostates alone. The second verse does seem to be talking about apostates. You have conveniently used 3:86 to soften the intolerant 3:85.
"O mankind! We created you from a single (pair) of a male and a female, and made you into nations and
You quote the above verse without comment. I assume it is to prove that the Koran is preaching equality between people. Please do not forget that those words in brackets are those of the translator. But what do you have to say about 3:33?
'Surely Allah chose Adam and Nuh and the descendants of Ibrahim and the descendants of Imran above the nations.'
Why does Allah choose descendants of some prophets above others? Is it not racism?
You also write:
"What I am trying to say is that nobody can be forced to believe:
"If it had been thy Lord's will, they would all have believed,- all who are on earth! wilt thou then compel mankind, against their will, to believe! Quran 10:99
No soul can believe, except by the will of Allah, and He will place doubt (or obscurity) on those who will not understand. Quran 10:100 "
That maybe what you are trying to say. But that is not what those two verses of the Almighty Allah are saying. 'If it had been thy Lord's will, they would all have believed,...' From this it naturally follows that it was not Allah's will that the unbelievers begin to believe. And Allah asks Mohammed why he wants to compel them to believe when it is His own will that they not believe. Can you see the logic of Allah here Sohail? I am not a fan of Allah's powers of logic generally, but here his logic is impeccable 'It is my will that some people do not believe so you have no authority to compel mankind against their will to believe.'
Verse 10:100 merely emphasises what Allah says in 10:99. Allah says 'No soul can believe, except by the will of Allah,....' So if I do not believe it is by the will of Allah. What can be clearer and simpler than that?
He also says '...and He will place doubt on those who will not understand.' This is an equally clear and simple statement of Allah placing doubt in the minds of people who do not believe. If Allah himself had not placed doubts in the minds of unbelievers would they have not begun to understand and believe. Why is Allah himself bent on stopping people from believing in Him? This is the silly logic of the All-knowing Allah I was talking about.tribes, that ye may know each other (not that ye may despise (each other). Verily the most honoured of you in the sight of Allah is (he who is) the most righteous of you. And Allah has full knowledge and is well acquainted (with all things). Quran 49:13"
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